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SQ Removing "Leadership" From The A345's?  
User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11120 times:

This is news I heard so dont bite my head off if its NOT true.

I heard that SQ are removing the word Leadership from their A340-500's due to a various internal problems SQ are having. I cant see any pics to prove this but was told a freind saw one in SIN today with NO Leadership titles.

Do any of you have any news on this?

Rgds
N754PR

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User currently onlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2743 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10851 times:

N754PR,

I've heard this as well, though have not seen proof of it as of yet.

If true, the reasons for it can only be speculated, at this point. However, if SQ does indeed go ahead with a 777-300ER order, as widely speculated, a -200LR order might very well be included. In that case, SQ probably don't want to be publically proclaiming 'LeaderShip' title too loudly, then turn around and ditch the aircraft.

Just a thought.

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User currently offlineAC From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2004, 77 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10688 times:

Any problems with the existing A345? Even 773ER and 772LR will be ordered, SQ can still keep their A345... the new triple seven can use some other names or simply modifiy one from "Jubilee"...


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10665 times:

Are they sure about SQ want to keep with A345?

User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10649 times:

if SQ does indeed go ahead with a 777-300ER order, as widely speculated, a -200LR

hey lets not tempt fate here  Angry


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10643 times:
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I'm still waiting for SQ to order the 7E7's. I wonder if that'll happen at Farnborough.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10566 times:

Yeah, might they want orders with 7E7 anytime soon.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10510 times:

Try finding "LeaderShip" on SQ's site... it aint there.

Good stuff.  Big thumbs up

Not to jump to conclusions, but perhaps this is just one step closer to their nigh-inevitable 772LR purchase.  Big grin


User currently offlineAndrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10458 times:

So how does that explains the new acquisition of A340-600 Simulator?

SIA dumping A340-500 for B777-200LR and buying A340-600 to replace the aging 744?


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10345 times:

So how does that explains the new acquisition of A340-600 Simulator?

Simple... because there aren't any A345 simulators available.


User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10262 times:

Big deal. SQ drops the "Leadership" title, so rumours start to spread it's going to be replaced. A340s are going to be dropped in favour of 777s. Hmmm, now where have I heard these rumours before.... Oh I know, Cathay Pacific, Virgin Atlantic...  Yawn

Before all these rumours about the A340-500 being dropped in favour of the B777-200LR turned into a full A vs B war, consider a few points:

  • It is possible for an airline to operate both aircraft types - having one doesn't exclude the other. SQ may want the range and efficiency of the 777LR for some routes (that's not to say the A340-500 isn't efficient, by the way), but may still want four engines for ultra-long range over-water flights. Hence the need for the A340.


  • I fail to see how dropping the name "Leadership" signals the dropping of the aircraft anyway. Sure, it isn't being marketed like a flagship anymore, but I highly doubt the 777LR will be designated "Leadership" because that name has already been used by the A340. They will come up with something new.


  • They have dropped "Leadership" due to "various internal problems". This could be anything... it doesn't mean the aircraft is underperforming, it could be another sort of problem. Like the fact it's a crappy name and the company have decided they don't like it after all.

    There's nothing official been announced yet, so why not wait and see what happens?



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    User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
    Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10248 times:

    With Airbus trying to sell SQ the A330-200Lite and the A340-600, and Boeing wanting to sign SQ up for the 7e7, 777-300ER and 777-200LR, anything can happen, this is a huge contest and both manufactures will do what they have to in order to get the order, including the possibility of Boeing taking SQ's A345s in trade (we all know its happened before).

    But, we could be jumping to conclusions about all of this, maybe SQ is dropping the Leadership name for the A345 aircraft simply for marketing purposes, ie, the name does not send the right message to passengers. I am just guessing here, but maybe consumers just did not get it? SQ has a very nice tradition on giving names to its aircraft types, but maybe this one simply did not catch on. (The Celestar A343s did not set the world on fire either!) Maybe someone more familiar with SQ's operations can help us out.

    Regarding the simulator, I had the understanding that SQ is getting an A346 simulator because there is currently no simulator available for the A345 so this was the next best thing........however, if Boeing can convince SQ to go with the 777LR, it will gladly reimburse SQ whatever costs it has incurred in connection with this simulator.


    User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10148 times:

    Hmmm, now where have I heard these rumours before

    SQ... right before the last time they did it?  Laugh out loud




    but may still want four engines for ultra-long range over-water flights.

    That [weak!] argument doesnt hold water with this airline.


    User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10063 times:

    "SQ... right before the last time they did it?"

    Did they remove the name "Celestar" from the A340-300s a long time before they got rid of them?

    SQ would have to place an order for the 777 and wait for the aircraft to be built before they can start phasing them into their fleet to replace the A340-500s... so why would they withdraw the name a long time in advance? The customers are still going to be flying on the 345 until it is replaced, if that is to be the case, so why not just carry on marketing it as it is until the time comes?

    That is the reason that makes me think the reason is more to do with the name itself.



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    User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10023 times:

    They are still advertising the plane, just as the A340-500 instead

    http://a345.singaporeair.com/index1.aspx?page=none


    User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
    Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

    I doubt SQ will 'dump' there A345s to order 772LRs. Just because it happened with the A343s, that doesn't mean it'll happen again. And remember when the A343s were ordered the 777 was not even on the market. The A345 is a very capable and efficient aircraft. Besides the 5 they have on firm order, they also have another 5 on option so it seems like a long-term commitment to a niche, expensive aircraft. I actually prefer the 777 but looking at the situation from a LOGICAL point of view, I think they'll stick with the Airbus. I guess we just have to wait and see.

    Horus



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    User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9800 times:

    And remember when the A343s were ordered the 777 was not even on the market

    um, where do you get that from?


    User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
    Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9712 times:

    While it is clearly evident that the thought of SQ dumping the A345 has touched a nerve with some of you, it is hard to ignore the significance of them taking the "Leadership" title from that aircraft. While it is agreed that we will have to wait and see, it is pretty tough to just dismiss it as nothing.

    Jeremy


    User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13739 posts, RR: 19
    Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9667 times:



    At the present moment, the dumping of LEADERSHIP from the Airbus A340-500s is more or less true but for what it is attributable to is currently unknown.

    Replacement of the A340-500 by the 777-200LR is pure speculation. To answer a question above, Singapore Airlines Limited did not remove CELESTAR from the A340-300Xs before they departed the fleet.

    Playing devil's advocate.
    It's more or less OK to state that most SIA planes that stay for an 'acceptable' period of time have names. SUPERBUS = A300, SUPER B = 747-200B, MEGATOP = 747-400, JUBILEE = 777, CELESTAR = A340, 3TEN = A310.
    The 757-200 didn't have a name.




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    User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
    Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9667 times:

    um, where do you get that from?

    Check when SQ ordered the A343, and you'll get your answer  Big thumbs up

    p.s. it was in an FI article about SQ some time ago.



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    User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
    Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9568 times:

    t's more or less OK to state that most SIA planes that stay for an 'acceptable' period of time have names. SUPERBUS = A300, SUPER B = 747-200B, MEGATOP = 747-400, JUBILEE = 777,
    ****

    Except that they just received these planes in January, and were spending a fortune marketing "leadership" all over the place right up until about a few weeks ago ?.

    If this was a positive and planned move for SQ, then it would not have slipped away in the background with no mention anywhere.

    While I am far from an expert on SQ, I would be surprised if history showed them dropping names as fast as this. They just received their first A345 in January.

    For the Airbus lovers that can never accept any sort of negativity associated with any Airbus aircraft, what do you think the reasons are that they would be making this change.


    User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9527 times:

    Check when SQ ordered the A343, and you'll get your answer

    ...I did, hence the question  Yeah sure




    SUPERBUS = A300, SUPER B = 747-200B, MEGATOP = 747-400, JUBILEE = 777, CELESTAR = A340, 3TEN = A310

    You forgot MEGA ARK = 747F


    User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9479 times:

    I am not one of the "Airbus lover" crowd on here, I was just trying to point out that all of this talk about the A340-500 being dropped is pure speculation. As you say, they just received their first A340-500 in January - so surely it's a bit early for them, just under 6 months into operation, to be making any major decisions about replacing the entire fleet, including ones that aren't even built yet. Surely it's not performing that badly - I think we'd have heard about it by now if it was. To answer your question, I think the reason they are making this change is because they've decided it's not a great name, perhaps the marketing hasn't gone as well as they would have liked, and they've decided to change it. They didn't remove the "Celestar" name before the A340-300s went, so why should removing the Leadership imply that the A340-500s are going to be on the way out?


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    User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
    Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9450 times:

    When it comes to SIA and the CEO thay are very ambivalent conserning A vs B
    I bet they sell off the 345 and put the T7LR on the routes........typical SIA!
    Bunch of pathetic *^#!½  Angry
    This topic is gonna be A/B war.........

    Micke//SE



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    User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9440 times:

    including ones that aren't even built yet

    Just as an FYI sorta thing...

    ...when SQ canned the A343, many of them hadn't been built yet either.


    25 Roberta : I bet they sell off the 345 and put the T7LR on the routes........typical SIA! Bunch of pathetic *^#!½ Well, if SQ do swap the A345's for 772R's, i j
    26 Post contains images Solnabo : It´s the same old story: I heard a roumor / from a friends friend / from my granny etc. etc. Puuhhleezzee Mike//Löddeköping?
    27 Horus : SUPERBUS = A300, SUPER B = 747-200B, MEGATOP = 747-400, JUBILEE = 777, CELESTAR = A340, 3TEN = A310 You forgot MEGA ARK = 747F Also B747-300 = BIG TOP
    28 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : i just hope Airbus do the equivalent of spitting in ones burger with the A380's ...ah yes, thus sealing their fate with what many consider to be the w
    29 Artsyman : It´s the same old story: I heard a roumor / from a friends friend / from my granny etc. etc. **** Is it, ok then, you explain to us why just a few we
    30 Solnabo : Roberta: I hope so too.......*lol* Micke//Töreboda
    31 GoAibusGo : Yes, typical SIA. Always buying and changing everything. Just like their female F/As. Trying to be the "perfect" airline. Lets see what they will do r
    32 Horus : Concordeboy, I thought you were being sarcastic with your question. Airbus launched the A340 in the 1987 Paris Airshow. SQ ordered soon after AF and L
    33 ConcordeBoy : might be wrong, as I'm horrible with dates... but was under the impression that SQ ordered in 1992.
    34 Greg : SQ became the launch customer for the A340-300E on August 2, 1991...for seven firm...and seven subject to confirmation...and six options. The order wa
    35 Greg : I haven't looked, but could the removal be something as simple as the foreign equivalent of a US copyright infringement?
    36 Horus : Thanks for the info Greg
    37 ConcordeBoy : I thought so. By the way, it was A343X... not A343E... as is so commonly mistaken.
    38 Post contains images Greg : The E to X moniker was changed after 1991--but I'm not sure when. According to the Airbus LOI they were referenced as A340-313E's when launched. By th
    39 Horus : By the way, it was A343X... not A343E... as is so commonly mistaken. Are you sure? I have a Singapore Airlines poster from 1997, when they celebrated
    40 Philsquares : Since SQ is my employer, I will go out on a limb with some predictions. 1) You will see a large 777 order 2) You will see a large 7E7 order 3) You wil
    41 Post contains images Horus : Very bold predictions Philsquares!
    42 DfwRevolution : I personelly don't know but what's the difference between the X and E? ASAIK, the -300X is just a MTOW increase to help the A340 match the 777. The -
    43 Donder10 : Wasn't HB-JMA of Swiss the first A343E?
    44 GDB : SIA were the first A345 operator, launching it with a record breaking non stop commercial flight, as other operators come on line they won't be the so
    45 Artsyman : Was 'Leadership' a reflection of being the first A345 operator? **** While it is not impossible for this to be true, I'd bet Concordeboy's life that i
    46 Post contains images Jet-lagged : Actually, if SQ quietly drops the Leadership name as a highlight in their advertisting, that makes sense. It is a good name while this have this ultra
    47 Ha763 : "Was 'Leadership' a reflection of being the first A345 operator?" Straight from the Senior Executive Vice-President (Commercial), Michael Tan, “We h
    48 Airmale : Philsquares I'm going with your predictions. Off topic but guys please refrain from using the sarcastic and bitchy "um..." and "hmmm..." bit.
    49 Post contains images Solnabo : Nobody knows if 7LR is what Boeing promised, the range or if the carriers wants to fly 2 barrels under the wings or 4 of them Time will tell Mike//Kn
    50 Tsentsan : Dont think SIA is the first A345 operator... if memory serves me correctly, Emirates launched the first A345 flight DXB-SYD nonstop.
    51 Post contains images Vimanav : So maybe we can have some new headlines: "SQ gives up Leadership", "SQ loses Leadership", "SQ getting rid of Leadership", "Leadership eliminated at SQ
    52 9V-SPK : Maybe SQ wants to put the name "leadership" on the A380s instead?
    53 N754PR : All the rumours at SQ say its a total lack of leadership in the company that has caused this, senior people leaving and staff not happy (More than bef
    54 Tsentsan : All the rumours at SQ say its a total lack of leadership in the company that has caused this, senior people leaving and staff not happy (More than bef
    55 Singapore_Air : "All the rumours at SQ say its a total lack of leadership in the company that has caused this, senior people leaving and staff not happy." What a load
    56 Post contains images Backfire : Maybe SQ is removing the title because it's a crap name. With any luck, they'll get shot of 'Megatop' while this attack of good taste lasts.
    57 N754pr : Singapore_Air, We all know how you think SQ is Gods gift to the Aviation world but sorry to say your wrong. Get out of your dream world and listen to
    58 Warren747sp : But CX certainly isn't. It's amazing how much hostility is brought on by pro-Airbus guys on this post. And one of them will definitely suggest deletio
    59 Northwest717 : Wow, guess Leadership isn't much of a leader anymore..... -Tim
    60 N754pr : My post is about the WORDS BEING REMOVED FROM THE PLANE, Not the aircraft being removed from service. Why these idiots keep starting fights B vs A fig
    61 Singapore_Air : "Get out of your dream world and listen to people that work in the field, thats who I'm getting info from. If you dont like it, dont reply." Oh like y
    62 N754pr : Singapore_Air, Are you even in Asia? Do you work at SQ? I have friends that consult for airlines, I have friends working as pilots, ground staff, ATC
    63 ConcordeBoy : You will see SQ order the first 777 Cargo aircraft Doubtful, as SQ wasnt on either consultation panel Boeing held over the proposed 772LRF; which cons
    64 Lyzzard : Both SGB and SGD still has the Leadership decals on when I saw them today. Only SGE seems to be missing its decal. Wonder if it flew off?
    65 Northwest717 : Lyzzard, that is a very reasonable possibility. That may be what is happening here.... -Tim
    66 StarG : I think "LeaderShip" title is great, as is "Megatop". I don't see anything wrong with airlines naming their aircraft exclusive names. It's just part o
    67 Singapore_Air : N754PR: What a load of privilous rubbish with no relevance to the flawed second paragraph of the thread starter.
    68 BlueShamu330s : Ahhhhhhhhh, another example of a SIA fanatic burying their ostrich head in the sand.........smell the coffee and realise there are far more important
    69 Post contains images N754pr : BlueShamu, Spot on, very well said. Singapore_Air, Your as predictable as a PR department Lets see who has the last laugh and enjoy your next SQ fligh
    70 9V-SVA : Singapore_Air, obviously you don't know how poor management is at SQ right now. Many SVPs are leaving, most notably Rick Clements, the PR boss, and mo
    71 Warren747sp : Don't you think you are a little over board with your praise of CX? They are not that good compared with SQ.
    72 Dynkrisolo : I know Singapore_air and N754pr have had a long history of animosity. Singapore_air can be over-zealous about his favorite carrier, but I think the co
    73 Post contains images N754pr : I'm not interested in what people think, I'm posting facts that some of you cant accept, just like a user in BKK that bad mouths me yet he has never s
    74 SR 103 : Don't you think you are a little over board with your praise of CX? They are not that good compared with SQ. Whose praising CX? Also how do you know t
    75 Qantasclub : I've been following this thread for awhile and now I have to have my 2 cents worth: 1) It does puzzle me why SQ have done this. I think the Leadershi
    76 Singapore_Air : For the record, every airline has problems and I like many others are fully aware of certain asepcts of SIA Group which are due for a very long-awaite
    77 Dutchjet : This thread is fascinating; one or two of SQ's A345s are missing the "Leadership" sticker and we have concluded the following: 1. SQ will dump the A34
    78 Flying Belgian : As far as I know: * All SQ A345s are arriving on time in LAX if not even ahead of schedule. * No major operational problems. * No concerning reliabili
    79 Mandala499 : Let's see... 1. When I received better service as a Y class pax in a competing airline than when I flew SQ J class, something doesn't add up. 2. When
    80 Dynkrisolo : Fly_Belgian: They have been using three to four aircraft to support a route that needs only two aircraft. So, they'd better be on time. It is not just
    81 Post contains images Soaringadi : ****** "Always buying and changing everything. Just like their female F/As. Trying to be the "perfect" airline." ****** Well they didn't change the 74
    82 Airmale : They also kept the A310 beyond the period they usually keep aircraft which means it worked well for them.
    83 SQ452 : Mandala499 I sense your frustration... First of all, SQ (mainly Krisflyer) has gone on my shi*list for the time being, I qualified for PPS back in mid
    84 Col : SQ452 E-mail does not work, I for a joke sent an e-mail everyday for over a week, having a conversation with the automatic return service, who's famil
    85 Airbus3801 : Why the heck would SQ drop there wonderfull new A345's after making such a huge investment and publicity. It would be quite stupid if they droped them
    86 Netdhaka : I hope they keep the A345s. I am planning on flying them Singapore-Newark route this December. I have already started planning for the trip in my mind
    87 ConcordeBoy : Why the heck would SQ drop there wonderfull new A345's after making such a huge investment and publicity. ...same reason they canned the Celestars I h
    88 Dab920 : I for one don't think I'll be flying SQ again. Thanks for the headsup people!
    89 Warren747sp : So all you Airbus lovers will not fly SQ anymore if they dump the A340-500 in favour of the B777LR. Very mature thinking! At this rate, there would on
    90 Qantas077 : maturity is in abundance on these forums, just have to look at the age of most who are posting to see that's a fact! i don't see SIA getting this awar
    91 9V-SVC : Warren747sp: Why do you have to rub it in everytime there is Airbus debates ? They like the A345 doesn't mean that they will not fly on SQ anymore. So
    92 Leelaw : I am stunned to learn that SQ dropped the "Leadership" name for the 345 in such a short time after all the money that was spent on the marketing/promo
    93 StarG : Leelaw: I was on inaugural SIN-LAX SQ20. I think that is a namecard holder if you received the same item. StarG
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