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Swiss And The Embraer Order  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

What's happening with Swiss International Air Lines order for the Embraer 170 and Embraer 195. They have already delayed the order on a number of occasions.

The Swiss carrier 'inherited' the order from Crossair, but the order does not fit into the company's plans and the airline has on a number of occasions tried to cancel part if not all the order unsuccessfully.

Last I heard was last year when they were to delay deliveries of 15 Embraer 170s and 15 Embraer 195s by another year. As a result, the first Embraer 170 was planned for June 2004 (a few days away). Is it still scheduled for delivery? What about the Embraer 195s, when are they coming?


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User currently offlineChrisZRH From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 423 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

hi there,
today someone told me the first embraer, not sure which one will join to fleet by autumn 04, that would be amazing, but somehow i don't believe it...

chris



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

So I guess the June 2004 deadline was moved AGAIN.

Doesn't an airline have to pay some sort of penalty for continously delaying and reducing aircraft they have on order?



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User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

I was under the understanding that US Airways had picked up most of the order from Swiss, that's how they got the aircraft so fast...

Yes no?

-Philzy



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User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

AFAIK, three Embraer 170 will join the LX fleet in autumn this year.

Gerardo



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User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

What about the Embraer 195s, when are they coming?

According to the German magazine Aero International, Swiss wants to change their ERJ195 orders to ERJ190 orders!

This would mean that there will be no (!) order for the ERJ195 yet!

Currently, Swiss has 15 orders and 10 options, and GECAS has 0 (zero) orders and 20 options.


regards, Florian



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4119 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Not a bad solution for Embraer in my opinion. When Crossair has bought the Embraers they have got a special price because they were launch customer etc. A price that is much lower than the price Embraer asks for now.

So in the end Embraer can sell the Embraers for a higher price to other customers...

This is also why they have not complained so much when SWISS wanted to cancel the order...

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

RJ100, that's common practice for a launch carrier...!

User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4119 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Yes of course. My statement was not made to criticise Crossair or SWISS. I just mentioned it because usually a company (Embraer in this case) would not accept cancellation of such an important deal. But obviously they accept-at least a partial cancellation- without getting upset.

Regards,
RJ100  Big grin



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User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

Hey horus, kifak habib.
Yes, they have to pay a fine due to their delay.
THere was a article about that on Valor Economico here, our financial paper.
It´ll cost Swiss almost half bilion dolar due to it´s postpone, thay have also postponed some ERJ 145 as EMB 170/195.
THey fine will be discussed, but they will pay something.
According to Embraer, they´re not worried about, and this fact will not back their forecast of 160 deliveris in 2004 and 170 in 2005.That, only time´ll say.

Hope that helps.



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User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2079 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

And will the Swiss 170s still have the ventral air brake for LCY ops?


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

It will be fine with LX new EMB-190 or 170 are come in this year and will be make began new service.

User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

Ya hala Erikwilliam! Thanks for the help

Shokran



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User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

They definitely will not be coming this year.

J.



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