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LHR's 15:00 Rule  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

I was speaking to an employee in Heathrow and he was telling me that at 15:00 everyday landing/take off sequences change over between the two main runways. But that hardly ever happens. I mean over the last couple of days for example the landing sequecnce has been the same (landing on 9L and take off from 9R) with the exception of one or two aircraft. Off course it has a lot to do with wind direction but also to reduce noise levels for people living near the airport. So why aren't they 'strict' applying this rule?


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User currently offlineBigpappa From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2595 times:


because when there is an easterly wind blowing towards heathrow, the planes land over from the west (over slough, Windsor) .This is where there is much countryside and less population then landing over London when there is a westerly wind......



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User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think it applys to the 09's, only the 27's.

Adam


User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Yes, it only applies to the 27s. 09L is not used for take-offs, though there is currently a consultation going on to allow this to happen in the future.

User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

09L is not used for take-offs

It sometimes happens albeit very rarely and when it does happen its usually in the late evening (22:00 onwards).



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User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Didn't Concorde use 09L for takeoffs? I am sure it did.

Adam


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2326 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

09L is not used for take-offs, though there is currently a consultation going on to allow this to happen in the future.

Is this step 1 towards mixed mode operation, with simulaneous intermixed take-off and landing on both runways?

PW100



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Didn't Concorde use 09L for takeoffs? I am sure it did.

That's true Adam



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User currently offlineSteve7E7 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 473 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Concorde was always the exception whichever runway was officially in use...such was the respect for her at LHR she left as immediately as possible whatever the circumstances

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Isn't there a discussion going on to stop the 15:00 rule once T5 is completed?

This means that aircraft would land and take off both on 27L and 27R.

Of course, when winds are coming from the East, 09L would be used for landings and 09R for arrivals.

One small thing: in the early morning, the traffic is always divided between 27L and 27R for arrivals. As far as I remember, the same applies for 09L/09R in the early morning.

It will be a very long taxi for BA when they'll have to go from T5 to 27L for take off!

Frederic


User currently offlineDaumueller From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 687 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Of course, when winds are coming from the East, 09L would be used for landings and 09R for arrivals.

that sounds sad - no more take-offs and departures then, eh?  Smile


User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

Horus - I was talking about what typically happens and didn't think I would have to describe every single exception. No need to take what is said quite so literally!

PW100 - Yes, the intention is that this will increase runway capacity at LHR and create some more slots.

Steve7E7 - I've seen Concorde many times taking her place in the queue of traffic. NATS has said that there were generally no special arrangements in place for Concorde - she more often than not had to wait her turn like everyone else. Exceptions, I suppose, would be when the PM or the Royals were on board.


User currently offlineWorldspotterPL From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 128 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Frederic:
In the very early morning (5-7 a.m. weekdays and 6-7 a.m. on weekends) planes use the runway that is the nearer one to their terminal. For example when I was down at the visitors center one morning to shoot 27R arrivals, I did not get a single BA 747 or 777 nor the Kenya Airways flight which goes to T4 as well but I got all the CX, SAA, SQ, UA, AA stuff...As soon as take offs begin, one runway is chosen to be used until 3 o'clock.

EDIT: This also applies to 09L/R with the exception that there is no change at 3 o'clock  Big grin

Paul

[Edited 2004-05-30 10:59:56]


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User currently offlineAvianceGirlUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

The reason for never a change of runways at 1500 when the 09 runways are in use is because of the Cranford Agreement. The area of Cranford (sh*tehole) has agreed with LHR that aircraft are not allowed to take off over their precious area. This is very strange to me. Why Cranford and not Hatton? There is nothing special about cranford and if they are allowed to land over there, why not take off? I learnt about this when i used to work in the Visitor Centre years back, this is where the LHR noise complaints unit is based. So there you go!

User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

The reason that the Concorde flights used 09L / 27R only for a few months was due to the runway surface on 09R / 27L - they were doing ongoing repairs to this runway, and it was felt that there was an increased risk of tyre damage due to the resurfacing that was being done. Therefore all Concorde flights used the other runway, regardless of which one was in use for takeoffs / landings. This wasn't always the case though, only when this work was being done.



User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

Trident2e, I was just trying to make a point, calm down! Big grin


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