LoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3751 posts, RR: 36 Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4040 times:
I didn't see this posted anywhere yet.
Ontario airport courts JetBlue EXPANSION: The airline could add flights out of the Inland area*s largest commercial airfield. Thursday, May 27, 2004 By PAUL HERRERA / The Press-Enterprise
JetBlue Airways, the New York-based low-cost carrier, might bring more flights to Ontario International Airport in the next year.
Mark Thorpe, director of air-service marketing for Los Angeles World Airports, said representatives of LAWA and the airline met in New York last week to discuss new service possibilities for Ontario. Potential new routes include flights to Washington, D.C., Boston and New York City, Thorpe said.
Jetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2840 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3928 times:
I've been attempting to read that article for the past couple of days, but for some reason, my computer always goes bizerk when I try to register with the website. What does the rest of the article say?
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Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3679 times:
this would make me laugh, the inland empire might have a huge popualtion base, but there is no money there, i am from this area, and ont is not an airport of choice for airlines. why do you think ua pulled their sfo-ont route, alaska has pulled flights, so has aa and ua to ord, b6 is back to one flight a day to jfk, there is no money out there. drive to bur, commute to lax, or go to sna or lgb for the O&D, leave ont for ups.
Jetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2840 posts, RR: 14 Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3648 times:
I actually think ONT would work perfectly. The airport is much more easy on slots, etc., and I know that they have a vacant terminal or concourse there. ALso, I'm sure the inland pop. would love to be able to take the short drive to ONT instead of heading off to LAX, where you can almost always guarantee yourself traffic. I definitely think JetBlue should give it a shot. My suggestion to them would be to bring JFK to 3x and see how that effect's LGB's flights. If there is no cannabalizing (I doubt there would be much), then JetBlue should go ahead and make it work. I could definitely see a large amount of flights to OAK and LAS, along with perhaps SMF, SEA (if they ever get their own gate), MCO, FLL, and of course IAD and BOS.
This is just my opinion, but I bet JetBlue could make it work. LA is a HUGE city, and Ontario is an undiscovered airport that has the ability to become something major.
BTW, thanks for the link, LoneStarMike!
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Coronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1591 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3599 times:
With the right transportation systems in place such as Maglev, ONT could attract passengers from a wide area, not just their own. I have been watching ONT sit idle serving it's own population for a long time, but it has the potential to be a regional "Southern California" airport as well.
Just having freeways is ok for moving freight but that isn't going to be enough from the passenger stand point coming from downtown L.A. or from Orange County, where their airport can only serve half the population. Some sort of express train or Maglev system will need to be in place to make this airport work.
TxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 45 Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3571 times:
JetBlueFan states, and i quote :>>"I could definitely see a large amount of flights to OAK and LAS, along with perhaps SMF, SEA (if they ever get their own gate), MCO, FLL, and of course IAD and BOS.<<
Now, I know as a JetBlueFan, you are no doubt wearing blue-tinted rather than rose-colored glasses.
Bue let me ask you this - why would JetBlue want to commit corporate suicide in Southern California?
Ask yiourself this question - why is JetBlue's seat mile cost as low as it is? is it because the employees have zilch seniorirty (partially true), don't get paid a whole lot by other airline standards (also partially true) or is it because they have an incredibly long average stage length (BINGO!).
Right now, if you adjust for the average stage length, Southwest owns a slight ASM cost advantage over JetBlue. This is going to get worse, not better (from the B6 perspective) when the Embraer's show up. The real problem for these 300 mile hauls is that ferquency sells.....the A320 is too big, and the Embraers will have too high an ASM cost.
Right now, Southwest owns a huge network advantage over JetBlue. if JetBlue started encroaching on Southwesdt's turf (the California corridor) you would be talking scorched earth, wholesale destruction, and your pals in blue would be making a retreat similar to, but much more costly to do, that what happened with DL and AirTran and JetBlue in Atlanta.
JetBlue is better off concentrating on what they do (cherry picking long haul flights against competitors whose costs are higher than their own.)
They do not need to take the king of short haul travel on, especially since when you consider average stage length, the king of short haul travel still has lower costs and better aircraft for the short haul.
People cooped up in metal tubes for an hour do not need television sets.
The seat pitch between Southwest's leather seats on the -700s, as I recall, is better than what B6 offers.
Rapid Rewards is a better FF program than JetBlue's simply because you can get more places...where have we heard that before LMAO?
So really, other than an assigned seat, which truly is not all that big a deal in commuter markets (if it were WN would not have market shares ranging from 65% to 80% in places like Dallas, Houston, New Orleans) Jet Blue really brings nothing to the table for the intra-California traveler.
So tell me, why in the world are you wanting them to cut their own thrats?
Jetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2840 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3532 times:
if JetBlue started encroaching on Southwesdt's turf (the California corridor) you would be talking scorched earth, wholesale destruction, and your pals in blue would be making a retreat similar to, but much more costly to do, that what happened with DL and AirTran and JetBlue in Atlanta.
I definitely disagree with you on that. JetBlue is now more established in the LA Basin than it was when it started LGB-ATL. Say, for exmaple, they started ONT-OAK. They'd have people flying from both sides. JetBlue is well known in the Bay Area too, and there are already lots of people flying them OAK-LGB. The flights are usually sold out or close to sold out on Thurs, Fri, Sat, Sun, and Mon.
I'm not looking for a "Who's better: Southwest or JetBlue" debate. Some people prefer Southwest, some people prefer JetBlue...
Thing is, that even though JetBlue will have LOTS of competition from WN, they'll still have some things working to their advantage. Their E190's would be perfect for ONT-LAS, SMF, OAK, SEA because of their low CASM and the fewer seats they offer over the 320. It's an absolute excellent aircraft for frequency on such routes.
Also, JetBlue already is known in LA. Sure, their loyalty base there is nowhere near as large as WN, but they still do have some people who will fly with them regardless of the price. I'm not saying that they should enter LAS, SMF, OAK, and SEA with Shuttle flights. NO way! But what they can do is offer enough flights that they can be known on the route, while still offering enough frequencies to be good for anyone. Also, whenever JetBlue enters a market, it's well known that they usually stimulate traffic.
Look from another perspective too. JetBlue would be pulling people from LA to fly with them, not just Ontario (as stated in above posts).
I'm not saying - in any way - that ONT would be easy for JetBlue. WN is definitely a tough cookie. But if anyone were to compete with WN head-to-head and succeed, it'd be JetBlue. Why? Because of their strong name brand recognition in the SoCal market, and their management board - who know Southwest's tactics and strategies very well.
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TxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 45 Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3522 times:
Nor am I trying to engender a "which one is better-B6 or WN?" debate.
All I am saying is that B6 trying to take WN on in intra-California markets would be pretty much the same thing as climbing into the bathtub and bringing your toaster in to the water with you. While it is plugged in.
If B6 isn't going to try and operate shuttle-type frequency, there's really no point. Frequency conquers all.
ONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 576 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3509 times:
There is a new reality that is taking shape in Southern Califoria airports. LAX, BUR, and SNA are going to see limited (if any) expansion and El Toro is not going to happen. The only airport that has any expansion is ONT. Whether people love or hate ONT they are going to be forced to use it as So Cal (espesially the Inland Empire, So Orange County, and the desert) continues to sprawl and demand for air service rises.
Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5641 posts, RR: 15 Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3409 times:
Right now, LA is pushing for more use of ONT by using ads in the papers and radio advertisements; these will help bring up the numbers out of ONT. Also, jetBlue is most likely going to start cargo service soon, which means more revenue all around. You would be surprised at how much we could push to JFK alone.
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