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FAs Get Into Trouble For Giving Safety Cards?  
User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

Hi all!

I just got back from FLL, and meet two excellent and friendly flight attendants on ACA and Song. Part of the reason was because after I asked them if I could take a safety card, not only did they allow me to, but they ran back to the galley to get fresh ones. I was just wondering if I wrote the letter to Delta or ACA and mentioned this, would they get into trouble?

AAndrew

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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

I guess their thinking is that it was better to take a replacement one than one from the actual seat pocket.

At quick glance, United's safety cards say, "please return to seat pocket for next customer" but both Mexicana and Skywest say, "do not remove from aircraft."

I'm assuming it is okay dependent on what is actually written on the bottom of the safety cards...

Better to ask than just gnab one! Nice work.

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineFrmyqr From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

westjet's mention DO NOT REMOVE FROM AIRCRAFT.


i'm from regina. Heard of it?
User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3069 times:

Most airlines' safety cards state that they must not be removed from the aircraft, a sensible statement given their purpose. There are, unfortunately, a number of odious individuals who believe that theft is acceptable.

User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5665 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

Some 4-5 years ago I was working for travel section of a newspaper and I took a part on a one-day trip to CDG when the new unlucky terminal 2 was just opened. It was hosted by AF and we were given a tour of AFs Concorde hangars, were able to roam free through them. I asked for a copy of the SSC safety card and was given one - a real trasure now I guess. If I knew then SSCs will be out of service so quick I'd ask for more copies.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Asking is Waaaaaaay better then just taking one. If you ask for one, and they give you one, you can not get in any trouble. If you get caught just taking one.......that is another story.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

I'm not concerned about myself, after all, a Delta rep gave it to me. I just don't want to get these flight attendants into trouble.

AAndrew


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

If you're going to write to DL, better be safe than sorry (for the FA's) and do not mention it...

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineScf158 From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

I thought it was against the law for anyone to take the safety cards from aircraft?

User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3078 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

You did not take the active card from a seat. That is where you are not supposed to take them from. Most airlines carry extras on board incase one gets ruined or stolen. IF They give you on there is no problem. One last time. The only time there is a problem removing them from and aircraft is if it is the one from the seat.

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineRydawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 858 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

You defiantly did the right thing by asking the crew for a card, chances are they will give you one without much fuss, however it can work quite the opposite. I have even had a crewmember go as far as raiding the demo kit for a fresh card, she stated she would tell the next station she was missing one and get it replaced ASAP.

As far as a letter to the airline, I would write in and express your experience with the crew, however I would NOT mention the card they gave you. Think of it this way, we all know a comp upgrades or drinks get passed out to passengers on occasion, is this good customer service? YES, but something the crew wants brought to their higher ups attention? NO...You can hint at things, by mentioning your passion for aviation, and that the crew made the experience well worth it, etc etc...Just don't mention the cards....
-R



You can take the pup out of Alaska, but you can't take the Alaska out of the pup.
User currently offlineCOAB767 From Guam, joined Nov 2003, 1377 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

I've taken ton's of safety cards and never have gotten caught.


Continental Micronesia: "Fly With The Warmth Of Paradise"
User currently offlineWidgetBoi From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1432 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

If I were in your position, I would write to Delta and tell them how helpful the cabin attendants were and describe the service that they provided, but I'd leave out the fact that they gave you the safety cards (just in case....)  Big grin

jeremy


User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2122 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Your mentioning this is more likely to get them in trouble than if you hadn't said anything at all.

But sounds like you had a nice crew, a positive note!



Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineIairAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Thank you for asking first. I would not mention it but still write a general thank you note to the FA's supervisors if you felt like they went above and beyond. Odds are at ACA anyways they would not get in trouble but there is a large enough chance that someone could be AR about it and the FA could be reprimanded. Most of the time we have stack of spare cards and if someone asked nicely (not demanded) I'd be glad to let them have one. It is a simple enough gesture. Taking them out of the pocket however is wrong. FAA requires that each seat has one and if you remove it the FA might not notice right away. It's not realistic to check every seat pocket on a quick turn.

User currently offlineFlyboy1980 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2003, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

You could always try writing to the airline and asking if they have any out of date safety cards. I kept a couple after I finished working for NZ as both had been replaced by a newer issue.

User currently offlineRHSNYC From United States of America, joined May 2004, 95 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

NO - ABSOLUTELY NOT! DO NOT MENTION THAT!! LOL

User currently offlineWidgetBoi From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1432 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

NO - ABSOLUTELY NOT! DO NOT MENTION THAT!!

Sounds like you've got your answer  Big grin

jeremy


User currently offlineZASpringboks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

Why are you taking emergency safety cards in the first place? They are there for a reason. Not for your entertainment. You remind me of the Scandinavian punks that would slash the seat belts off when they deplaned the aircraft and use them later as a belt. This stuff costs the company money and delays the flights because the cabin crews have to replace the evac card that COAB767 stole from the seat. Thanks guy.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

AAndrew:

Just let it go, dont write DL anything about this safety card issue. Just let it go, its not worth your time or their time. Plus you dont want to get the F/As jobs into jeopardy. Like I said, just let it go...just ain't worth it.

As far as taking an ACTIVE safety card from the seat pocket in front of you, I think that would be in a violation of Federal Aviation Regulations, but I dont know which part that would be.



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

Just want to know does tha F/A or the cleaners actually note down the seat numbers and the PNR and Pax record to put that person is some sort of BAnned list where things go missing (eg. Life Jackets, Safety Cards, Noise Cancelling headsets etc..) Because one thing that was annyoing was that on my last flight I noticed there were some kids sitting on the opposite side and raided the whole seat during the rest period (this is on CX's J Class). ( They took a big bag off the plane!) I mean isn't it dangerous (especially the lifejacket?? it is located on the side in the New Business Class)


No Reference to airlines required, but just want to know does these idiots get noted for future reference???


User currently offlineType-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4940 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

As WidgetBoi stated, I would write a nice letter to the airline stating what a wonderful flight you had and you'd like to compliment the F/A's. That's it, don't mention the safety card bit. Just think of it as a nice gift from the F/A to you. She will have fond thoughts of you.......


Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Just want to know does tha F/A or the cleaners actually note down the seat numbers and the PNR and Pax record to put that person is some sort of BAnned list where things go missing...

When I was at WN, we didnt take names of pax who took stuff off of a/c on RON. We just simply replace the items with no questions asked.



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineWestJetYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Taking a safety card won't get you blacklisted or anything, because you can't really prove someone took that unless you catch them. However I have seen a situation in the past were a pax was tracked down in the airport for having removed a seat belt and life jacket from the aircraft. Luckily the person was still waiting to pick up their bags... and the items were retrieved.

User currently offlineWestJetYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Oh, I guess I should mention though, that although taking a safety card won't get you black listed, it's still theft. You should always ask the flight crew if you could have one, so they can at least make sure one isn't missing from the seat. Airlines do get fined for not having one in everyseat. You shouldn't steal anything from a plane. But asking nicely is the best way to go.

25 MD11Engineer : Removing emergency equipment like a life jacket might get you persecuted under federal law (if it is an US airline) or local law. Expect a heavy fine.
26 TomFoolery : Removing the cards (especially without permission) is as bad as removing those tags from your mattress! At least you asked! TF
27 DeltaMD11 : There is no problem with asking for a safety card. Most F/A's (9 out of 10) are MORE than happy that you are interested and will most of the time go b
28 Qqflyboy : If you want to get technical, it is a violation of FARs to remove safety related equipment from aircraft. This would include safety briefing cards and
29 Post contains links Aa757first : I didn't realize this thread had grown so long. I did write the letter to ACA and Delta, but left out the safety card part. On the ACA flight, I asked
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