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KLM Routes Just After Wwii  
User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3106 times:

I post this question in the knowledge than some of you guys will certainly have info to solve it.

A friend of mine told me that KLM flew to MEX via MTY and NYC in around 1950. Is this true? If so, what a/c did they use?

Thanks.

PZ


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User currently offlineSNBA319 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2003, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 3069 times:

KLM started operations on the DC4 to New York in 1946.
http://www.klm.com/corporate_en/index.jsp

This was the first service to New York from Europe. They started to Batavia in 1945 already...

source (dutch)
http://www.lvnl.nl/nl/overlvnl/1923_nu/body.html



User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6798 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

I'm not home now, but from memory KLM never flew from Mexico to New York in the 1950s. But via Montreal is possible.

You didn't mean MTY did you?


User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Timz,

Oh yes, I did mean MTY.
My friend and I were discussing about historical MTY-NYC flights, and he came out with this KL MEX-MTY-NYC-AMS in the post war. It was very strange for me to hear this as I thought KL started flying to MEX in 1970's.

PZ



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6798 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

Yeah, I figured you meant Monterrey-- I mixed up MTY and PTY.

If nobody else answers, e-mail me next week after I can look up the old OAGs. Until then, I'm still guessing they flew MTY-YUL.


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2374 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

KLM started flying to Mexico in 1952. Once weekly using a DC-6, a 32 hr flight [one-way]. I guess it made several stops en-route, but unfortunately I could not find those stops. It might very well be that New York was one of them.
I do know that in 1946 once weekly a New York flight would contiunue to Curaçao.

The first [trial] New York flight departed AMS on 25 Feb 1946 by DC-4 Skymasyter NL-305, with US captain McClure. Regular service [twice weekly] was started at 21 May 1946 by the DC-4-1009 "Rotterdam", captain was Evert van Dijk [who also flew the very same route 16 years before with Sir Charles Kingsford Smith in Fokker F.VIIB/3m "Southern Cross"]. The New York flights made en-route stops in Prestwick and Gander for a total travel time of 25 hrs 30 min [net flight time 21 hrs] one way.

JFK [Idlewild] was not yet open to business at the time, and all KLM flights operating to New York were using North Beach Airport, which in 1947 off course became La Guardia Airport. I believe that KLM started using Idlewild [today JFK] only in 1948, so KLM did operate transatlantic service into LGA!





PW100



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User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

PW100:
Very interesting all your info.
Thanks
PZ



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6798 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2728 times:

8/53 OAG shows a weekly MEX-MTY-YUL-YQX-SNN-AMS; on one page it says DC-6 and on another it says DC-6B. The 10/52 OAG says the service was to start 16 October.

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