B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7179 times:
Informal discussions on Monday between Praful Patel, the new Minister of Civil Aviation and top Air India officials have led to an unofficial request for Air India to "re-evaluate" their choice of Airbus 340-300 aircraft for the airlines' fleet evaluation plan.
The airline is expected to complete the review of current proposals from both Boeing and Airbus including updated pricing, financing and delivery schedules within the next few weeks and revert to the ministry if any changes in market conditions have been identified. The option to the Airbus 340-300 would be the Boeing 777 family of products.
Further details will be provided as they become known.
Brons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2981 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7038 times:
As much as I would like to see the 777 win this order....that's nuts. How many times and for how long are they going to fight over this order? Why don't they just put it to a nationwide referendum or something....lol.
At this rate, neither plane will ever be ordered.
Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
Indianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6914 times:
I just had to crosscheck this shocker. I can confirm that Mr.Prafull Patel has NOT, repeat NOT said that the A340-300 deal would be reexamined. All that he has said is that the reasons for delay in the deal would be examined.
Heres what he said:
“We are going through the proposals of both IA and A-I. I must see what had happened (on their proposals). "
"Under no circumstances will we allow any more delays in fleet acquisition," Patel said.
Patel is said to be close to some Boeing officials like Dinesh Keskar. But it is unlikely that he will be able to swing such a deal around at this stage without being forced to tender his resignation! Remember the controversy that was caused when IC changed its decision overnight to go from 757's to A320's? Would Prafull Patel now stick his neck out to overturn a decision that the airline had taken?
JAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6889 times:
And this is why ladies and gentlemen, India isn't as developed as it should be. Its not that the people aren't smart enough, but the shear amount of bureaucracy makes the US look like anarchy. Unbelievable.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6781 times:
I can confirm that Mr.Prafull Patel has NOT, repeat NOT said that the A340-300 deal would be reexamined
Nobody said he had said that. I simply said that AI officials were unofficially requested to re-examine the deal and get back to him. Its a good thing as far as I can tell - he simply wants to make sure that the Airbus was AI's legitimate best selection and not forced on them by any of his predecessors. This isn't a negative thing - its simply a re-evaluation.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6724 times:
BTW Roy, Patel's exact comments to the media were as follows :
"We are going through the proposals of both IC and AI. I must see what had happened before arriving at any decision in 2004. I want both the airlines to take a long term view and re-examine their proposals. If their decisions are right let them go ahead with it. My main obective is to strengthen both the airlines."
Don't put the cart before the horse and immediately assume that the order will be overturned. By all accounts, the decision to pick the A340 was a legitimate one influenced by the significantly cheaper acquisition and operating costs so there is no reason to assume there will be any change unless Boeing wants to chop some serious $ off their pricetag.
My info came from AI sources who were putting the wheels into motion for this "re-evaluation". I hadn't even read Patel's comments until I ran a google search a few minutes ago but they seem to back up what both of us have found out.
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6532 times:
[Patel:]I want both the airlines to take a long term view and re-examine their proposals. If their decisions are right let them go ahead with it. My main obective is to strengthen both the airlines."
Man, this will be a never-ending story. Haven't they already spent long enough to re-evaluate?? And now again?? If he wants to handle in their interest he should just let them go without taking an initiative.
Or is Boeing again exerting pressure and trying to reverse AI's legitimate and free decision?? C'mon Boeing, the battle is lost, at least we are ordering some 738s for sympathy... This Dinesh Keskar seems to be a weird person... They will never let loose if they can make money, even if they harm others.
I personally don't really care any more which a/c is ordered (since I think that all are great a/c), but only care that an order is placed asap!
I hope they stay now with the choice and don't start a new process again. Within the re-evaluation, are they also considering 'upgrading' the order to the A345 (from the 343)?
Skyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6210 times:
I think Praful Patel's re-examination makes sense provided that it really is that and not another delay inducing paper chase.
I guess his comments were aimed with objective of ensuring exactly what Sean said, that is the deal was done with adequate due diligence and there was no undue political pressure to accept the Airbus contract if commercial/technical evaluation suggested that in fact Boeings offer was better. If that was the case then this will be apparent soon.
Hopefully this will not take long and they will go ahead with the deal asap.
"Those who talk, do not know, and those who know, do not talk."
Flyhigh@tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5999 times:
Why can we just get the planes for a change? If the re-evaluation gets going then it will be again like the Hawk trainers...how many young IAF pilots have already lost their lives in Mig 21s et all...hmm now even Jaguars are falling out of the sky :-(
AI badly needs new long range a/cs ..why the heck cant we just buy them? I hope Mr. Patel actually means like what many here have understood...just speedy acquisition with long term needs in mind.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5734 times:
Further to this, Boeing has allegedly offered an additional discount of Rs.7 billion (US$ 150 million) if Indian Airlines would be willing to change their planned order for 43 Airbus 320 family aircraft to Boeing products instead.
Boeing is currently working on a discount package on the Boeing 777s for Air India. Rumor is that they will chop approximately 30% off of the up-front costs, but contingent on Air India opting for additional leased Boeing 747-400s on an interim basis until delivery slots for the Boeing 777s become available.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7860 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5568 times:
In my opinion, the A340-300 is too small a plane for AI's long distance routes. People are forgetting that India has a very large population (over 1,000 million people estimated as of 2003!) and there is just from sheer numbers enough people in the country to fly larger planes. Why do you think both SQ and EK has such a huge presence flying in and out of India?
AI--if it wants to stay with the A340 series--should seriously consider converting their A343 orders to the A340-600HGW when that becomes available in 2006.