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Air New Zealand Buys 10 Boeings  
User currently offlineUal747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 577 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 8692 times:

Haven't seen the model yet.

UAL747-600

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User currently offlineKieso From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 8612 times:

Good news for the American economy!


Me is Kieso_I love to fly and it shows! YA
User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 8571 times:

10 Boeing Gemini Jets??

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8495 times:

Four 777-200ER's and will lease 4 more.

Will also purchase 2 7E7's

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000081&sid=aWTxWRfRz1AQ&refer=australia



"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineRupesNZ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8462 times:

Here is the text from Air NZ

Air New Zealand today signed agreements to acquire eight new Boeing 777-200 ER and two Boeing 7E7 aircraft as well as rights to purchase a further 42 long-haul aircraft.

Given the size of the transaction, under Stock Exchange and Companies Act requirements, Air New Zealand will be required to seek shareholder approval.

The Boeing aircraft will provide the airline with new capabilities for its long haul operations. These aircraft will allow us to develop new routes and increase frequency on existing routes as well as provide an overall increase in both passenger and cargo capacity. Another benefit is that the new fleet will provide Air New Zealand with lower operating costs and improved financial performance over and above that which could be achieved by expanding the existing fleet of 10 Boeing 767s.

Four of the new 300-plus seat Boeing 777-200 ER aircraft will be purchased and the other four leased from International Lease Finance Corporation. The cost of the four aircraft and the necessary infrastructure to maintain the fleet of eight is in excess of NZ$1-billion.

The interiors for these new aircraft will mirror the soon-to-be unveiled upgrade for Air New Zealand's Boeing 747s.

The eight Boeing 777-200 ER aircraft will begin entering service in September 2005, with the first five expected to be delivered by April 2006. The final three aircraft will be introduced in the last half of 2006. All the aircraft will be powered by Rolls Royce Trent 800 series engines.

The decision to purchase the Boeing 777-200 ER and 7E7 represents the next phase in Air New Zealand's commitment to transforming its business. The first phase was the introduction of Domestic Express, Tasman Express and Pacific Express and the corresponding introduction of its new Airbus A320 fleet.

The delivery date for the two 7E7 aircraft, which will be capable of carrying approximately 230 customers, is still to be determined, but it will coincide with the retirement from service of the remaining 767s. The cost of the two aircraft and necessary infrastructure to support them is in excess of NZ$350 million.

Air New Zealand's 7E7s will be powered by the revolutionary new Rolls Royce Trent 1000 engine. Air New Zealand is the first airline in the world to place an order for engines to power the new Boeing 7E7.

The decision to commit to the 7E7 and the Rolls Royce Trent 1000 is a clear signal of where Air New Zealand is positioning itself - innovative, efficient and delivering the best products to customers.

The Boeing 7E7 will use up to 20 percent less fuel than other aircraft of its size. It will travel at speeds similar to today's fastest wide bodies and feature innovative technology that will give passengers great comfort.

The Boeing 7E7 will also carry up to 50% more cargo than today's similar size aircraft.

Air New Zealand's decision to secure rights to purchase a further 42 aircraft reflects the airline's belief in the potential to expand its passenger and cargo business into new long haul destinations and increase traffic from existing core routes.

The purchase rights will give us the ability to choose from a range of aircraft types that best suit our long haul business as it develops in the future. The aircraft options will include the Boeing 777-200 ER, 777-200 LR, 7E7 and the 777-300 ER, which could replace our Boeing 747s in about a decade.

Air New Zealand's long haul fleet currently comprises of ten Boeing 767s and eight Boeing 747s. By early 2007 the fleet composition is expected to be eight 777-200ERs, seven 747s and five 767s, as leased aircraft will be returned as contracts expire.

To put this into a passenger and cargo context, Air New Zealand's long haul fleet currently consists of 5408 available seats and 268 tonnes available capacity across 18 aircraft.

By early 2007, the fleet will consist of 6466 available seats and 291 tonnes available capacity across 20 aircraft. This represents a 20% increase in seats for long haul aircraft. This growth is consistent with the airline's capacity growth goal of 5 percent, given the network base year of 2003.

A low growth network scenario has also been modelled. The firm commitment to aircraft that has been announced represents a minimum of aircraft that will be required by Air New Zealand going forward, and also falls below the amount that would be required under a low growth scenario.

We expect to fill the increase in seats and cargo capacity by flying to new destinations, increasing frequency on current destinations and stimulating new demand.

A team of senior managers has spent the past 18 months conducting an exhaustive evaluation of the aircraft options available from both Boeing and Airbus. The Air New Zealand Board has been regularly updated during the process.

The intensive and robust evaluation process highlighted that both the manufacturers' products were capable of meeting Air New Zealand's requirements. But on balance the Boeing aircraft best fits our long haul and business needs.

This same exhaustive process two years ago found that the Airbus A320 was the best fit for our short haul needs and as expected the aircraft is performing to expectations and has proven to be the right choice for the airline.

Air New Zealand looks forward to continuing to work closely with Boeing and Airbus as it seeks to consolidate and grow its business in both the short haul and long haul markets.


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8445 times:

And 42 options!
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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8367 times:

A very good coup for Boeing

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8331 times:

I think its great, but I have the following concerns:

1) 2 7E7s is hardly sufficient to replace their fleet of 767s
2) The Trent on the 777-200ER, along with 42 options covering 777-200LRs and 777-300ERs seems like an unwise choice. ANZ operates no other Trent series engines, and its hardly an economical choice to have 16 Trent 800s then x number of GE90s and 4 (heh, 4!) Trent 1000s.

I am, of course, happy for Rolls that they won the business, especially for the Trent 1000, and etc. Its just a curious mix of business, imo.

N


User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1861 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8306 times:

Perhaps they don't want to be held hostage by GE.  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8300 times:

A superier aircraft for a superior national carrier.

You know, the 717 might not be a bad inter-island choice for them either  Wink/being sarcastic



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8216 times:

Another good thing is that all of these will be new-orders... despite the leases!  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineKiwi dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8181 times:

How many airlines have ordered the 7E7 thus far?

User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8170 times:

ANZ operates no other Trent series engines, and its hardly an economical choice to have 16 Trent 800s then x number of GE90s and 4 (heh, 4!) Trent 1000s.


I think the options for the 773ER and the 772LR have been included by Boeing to encourage NZ to buy them. It never stated NZ intended to get the 777NG's (Although obviously they will strongly consider it). Boeing are hardly going to say you can have options on the 772ER but not the 777NG's.

And the A380 will be avalible with GE's too BTW.

How many airlines have ordered the 7E7 thus far?

2 airlines totalling 52 aircraft

Regards

[Edited 2004-06-02 02:04:23]

[Edited 2004-06-02 02:06:12]

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8153 times:

How many airlines have ordered the 7E7 thus far?

2


User currently offlineBrutie From New Zealand, joined Sep 2003, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8108 times:

Gigneil,
What you're saying about the engine choice makes perfect sense - I just wonder how muc the decision, like the IAE choice on the A320s, was driven by trying to gain experience that the Engineering department could market?


User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8086 times:

Congrats Boeing, Yehhhhh~

User currently offlineKiwi dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8080 times:

thanks for that

Great news for Air NZ


User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8072 times:

This comes as a pleasant surprise, though I agree with gigneil in that it is a curious choice of engine manufacturer.



[Edited 2004-06-02 02:11:26]


I mean, for the right price I’ll fight a lion. - Mike Tyson
User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 8008 times:

Great day for Boeing!

Congrats!



Tort reform now. Throw lawyers in jail later.
User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 7935 times:

By the way... How many A-320/21 have ordered NZ? and how many do they have delivered now?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 7890 times:

The most interesting thing is that it just passed 5:30 in Seattle not too long ago, surely there's someone there to post the composite images and press release on the Boeing website?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

N


User currently offlineNorthwest717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

Yea, as much as I want to believe this, there are no press releases!  Confused

-Tim


User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 7633 times:
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Someone has mentioned the 717 here already...right?  Big grin


I wonder how this will affect future Qantas purchases?



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 7619 times:

Yea, as much as I want to believe this, there are no press releases!

Sure there are, both from ANZ and the Bloomberg report.

N


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5731 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 7598 times:

Uhhh, the above is a PRESS RELEASE.. duh.. from ANZ, the orderer.

I must admit, the engine choice was a question as I read, and so I kept reading and kept reading... and said, (out loud!) "Rolls? They ordered... Rolls???" How unexpected. But then, I didn't expect them to order Boeing, either. I really figured that they'd go GEs. I figured A330s with GE's.

Oh well- I am happy they ordered 777s and 7E7s, regardless of engine choice. And I don't have anything against Rolls engines.

Huzzah for good news!!!

R


25 Post contains images Northwest717 : Hehe, sorry about that, I skipped ahead in the thread because I was late for practice . -Tim
26 KiwiMike : Fantastic news for ANZ. I had heard it from an 'insider' at Air New Zealand and went straight to Airliners.net to see if the news had broken. They mus
27 United_Fan : Will they be used for LAX service ? When UA used there's wasn't range a issue? Or was it weight - restricted?
28 Elwood64151 : 1) 2 7E7s is hardly sufficient to replace their fleet of 767s They're not meant to. The entire order will be replacing the 767s. How many airlines hav
29 NZ767 : United_Fan, Range wasn't an issue but it was ETOPS restricted.
30 Nz1 : The 2 7E7's are only a starter. You can expect a lot more of these to be ordered in the future. We only received our latest 763 in 2000, so they are s
31 Post contains images Soaringadi : yaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy !@!!!!!!! don't know why I responded like that..... just that I'm in a very good mood right now
32 United777 : Great News. I'm more happy about Air NZ getting the 777 though. Finally the 777 is now flown by all airlines in each continent. Both aircraft are the
33 Kalakaua : This is exciting news! Way to go NZ! Can anyone speculate on the routes these fine aircraft will be servicing?
34 NZ767 : United777, What do you mean by the 777 now being flown by an airline in each continent? You're not suggesting we're part of Australia are you?
35 ZKSUJ : Wow, I knew they said the decision will be within two weeks but I didn't expect it this soon. Great News NZ. what are the other 42 Boeings on options.
36 DfwRevolution : 777s and 7E7s obviously but any 747advanced in there? No, Boeing has yet to offer a 747Adv. The only thing we know of such an aircraft is speculation.
37 Post contains images Tekelberry : The most interesting thing is that it just passed 5:30 in Seattle not too long ago, surely there's someone there to post the composite images and pres
38 Aerohottie : Region will suffice for now.... Any one got any pic of these big birds in NZ colours yet??? and what about the new longhaul interior???
39 Post contains images NZblue : Having been newly employed by Air New Zealand just last month, and being a frequent visitor to a.net for a couple years now, the announcement for 8 ne
40 SQ452 : speculation of the 777 routes: will start off on Sydney Auckland runs for crew training (similar to what most airlines do when they get a new a/c type
41 QF744 : i would also assume that the 777s will fly the new Christchurch-Los Angeles services! here is a link to the 772ER photo in NZ c/s... looks great! http
42 BN747 : I personally think the 777s will be muscle in on the 767 action.. and will replace the 767 on the AKL-PPT-LAX run. With that many... there's no way LA
43 777ER : Will they be used for LAX service? YES cause the B763 was used for the LAX via Pacific Islands so you will see either the 772 or 7E7 in LAX on daily
44 Post contains links and images Kereru : Here is a working link http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3570135&thesection=news&thesubsection=general Cheers
45 ZK-NBT : This is great news for Air NZ and Boeing! Can't wait to see those new Aircraft here at AKL, guess they will become like any other aircraft in the flee
46 Post contains images The777Man : YESSSSS! Great news! Nice to see that they will get them as soon as Sep05!! I do agree that it's a bit strange that they will get RR engines since it
47 Post contains images Boeing767-300 : Fantastic News. Boeing must have really sharpened up their pencils for this one or Ralph Norris believes 7E7/777 are superior to the Airbus offering.
48 Mark777300 : I actually found this to be amuzing because I read in a magazine the otherday (not sure which one) that claimed that Air New Zealand was not intereste
49 Swiss-airplane : congratulation to both, Air New Zealand and Boeing. Love this 777 birds and I'm glad that Air New Zealand has choosen those great airplanes.
50 Post contains images Singapore_Air : Well done Air New Zealand - A Member of Star Alliance. Only 2 7E7s? Awww "Norris said the new 777-200 aircraft will initially be used to fly to San Fr
51 Air Taiwan : Good news indeed, just quite surprised that they chose the 777 and not the A330/340. They already have the A320 in their fleet. Also unless they find
52 Post contains images Backfire : What a pity that all the people who know what's best for ANZ are on this forum instead of running the ANZ investment division.
53 Post contains images Syncmaster : Congrats to both Boeing and Air NZ! I guess is the other immediate Star order that there was rumblings about for the 7E7?
54 Motorhussy : Well that's great news all round. No doubt Boeing had a very sharp pencil when it came down to the final offer in order for Ralph's Mont Blanc to sign
55 ZKSUJ : Will NZ expand to Europe? Will they bring back FRA? Anyone know where they will expand their route network to? ZKSUJ
56 Cchan : Can't wait to see those new planes. They are certainly keeping my business.
57 Lufthansa : hey guys, this isn't so unexpected. Long history of Air NZ differing from QF. NZ QF DC-8 707 732 DC-9 (actually TAA operated) DC-10 742 (until that te
58 Post contains links VirginFlyer : qld has a bigger catchment area than the whole of NZ, and a much higher average income per capita New Zealand's population is just over 4M, while Quee
59 Na : Good to hear the 744 will stay as NZs flagship for another 10 years! By then a 747NG will hopefully be available to be a worthy replacement. Thank god
60 AeroOzzie : Good on NZ...I think it sounds likely the small order for 7E7s is to secure options at a price which may well be very attractive when the time (and mo
61 Col : Well done ANZ, and all those options, you'll need to expand AKL. More 7E7 will be added later I am very sure. Engine choice is not surprising consider
62 United Airline : Na, I agree! Same applies to UA and SQ and CX -Desmond
63 Raggi : I may have missed something, but will the 777s be powered by RRs or GEs?? I got the engine choice on the 7E7s, but for the triple? thanks. ok, disrega
64 Lufthansa : Virginflyer The Qld catchment area does infact extend to northern NSW, but not just that. Effectively the NT, and even PNG! Most ppl travelling intern
65 The777Man : Motorhussy: I agree with you on some of those new routes. I think that they will start AKL-PVG and AKL-PVG in the next few years and it also makes sen
66 RayChuang : My guess is that NZ will be (eventually) flying 777-300ER's on the AKL to SFO and LAX routes, use the 777-200ER on the routes to other parts of Asia a
67 Post contains images Solnabo : Good for Boeing, they sure need it! So Qantas going for A-bus widebody and 737 narrow´s cuz the 744 is getting senior in couple of years? Mike//SE
68 ConcordeBoy : Range wasn't an issue but it was ETOPS restricted Only through 2002, afterwhich it was not
69 AirxLiban : Can't wait to see a picture of a 7E7 in Air NZ colours, nothing on Boeing's site at the moment, perhaps later on today.
70 Post contains links LMP737 : Here's an artists rendering of the ANZ 777 and 7E7 together in flight. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040602/photos_bs_afp/04060207000
72 AirPortugal310 : I say thats awesome. Glad to see companies buying planes from whoever and in most cases adding routes. Aviation is back on track to success I hope! Co
73 AirxLiban : Nothing on Boeing still
74 Post contains images RIX : Great picture. 777 at once became looking obsolete ! But still far more impressive.
75 PANAM_DC10 : This is great news for Boeing and NZ. Just when you need them, the Kiwi's step up! I can't wait to get on one of those 777's when they're in operation
76 Post contains images NZ767 : Interesting to note, this is the first time NZ has ever purchased an aircraft off the drawing board (7E7). Historically, like a lot of airlines, they
77 BN747 : There's a good chance with with NZ presence being so large here (LAX), that each ship upon delivery will stop here (since we're in the path of getting
78 Post contains images VH-BZF : 1/ Great to see them order Boeings!!! 2/ Interesting that they have gone the other way to Qantas (ie. Airbus narrow bodies & Boeing wide bodies!) when
79 Flybynight : Great news. I just flew NZ from LAX to Rarotonga. I thought the 763 was a little over crowded. I've always loved the 767, but it would be nice to see
80 ZK-NBT : First delivery is September 2005. Not sure if the 772's will go on the Pacific-US flights though, probably not for a start anyway.
81 AeroOzzie : I was under the impression that the pacific routes have quite good load factors so downgrading capacity from 747s to 772s wouldn't cut it I would thin
82 Aerokiwi : VH-BZF: Wow, worthwhile comment buddy. Good one. Does anyone know what model of the 7E7 has been ordered? There was a really good full page advert in
83 ZK-NBT : I was under the impression that the pacific routes have quite good load factors so downgrading capacity from 747s to 772s wouldn't cut it I would thin
84 Post contains images Tubbyboeing : Yaaaaaay!! Go Boeing
85 Chinaeastern : Great news for Air NZ. new long haul aircrafts and hopefully new routes. cheers
86 Aerosol : For those of you familiar with the term "poison pill". Could this future acquisition be a move of the management to make a possible merger with Qantas
87 TG992 : As our CEO, Mr. Norris, has said, regarding the fleet's compatibility with Qantas's.. "We have to do what's best for Air New Zealand". The 7E7/777 com
88 Motorhussy : Aerosol Aside from the possible merger/strategic alliance with QF, NZ management have a responsibility to their shareholders to increase value and cre
89 Phxinterrupted : Congrats to NZ and Boeing!
90 Post contains links MidnightMike : More information on the Air New Zealand deal: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2928606a13,00.html Air New Zealand has turned down cheaper aircraft
91 Roberta : You make it sound like Boeing stormed it MidnightMike "There wasn't a lot in it but in our view the Boeing 777s better met the needs of Air New Zealan
92 AeroOzzie : "Could this future acquisition be a move of the management to make a possible merger with Qantas more unlikely?" The proposed QF investment into NZ is
93 MidnightMike : Roberta No, I just took the information directly from the news story, I did not add my personal opinion in the posting & posted the link, if you go to
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