Blhp68 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 149 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5163 times:
I heard earlier that US Airways was beginning to adopt a point to point strategy. Supposedly they are going to downsize their PIT hub and fly more point to point routes that are profitable. What routes do they plan to fly? I know being from MCI we lack N/S to BOS, RDU, as well as southern Florida. All of those routes have the potential to be profitable. The gates are there at MCI to expand. That was just a thought, any other potential routes from other cities?
Elwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5121 times:
The gates are there at MCI to expand, but it does have n/s service to Florida on Southwest:
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As for BOS & RDU, several airlines have tried to serve these routes, and they just aren't profitable. I think this is the principle reason for hubs, actually.
I recently did a study on the personal income of certain population centers, and found that while BOS is a huge metro at over 5,000,000 people, only 1,923,000 are in the labor force.
That means less than 40% of the people living in the Boston GMSA work, while the number nation-wide is closer to 50%. This means that Boston is at a significant disadvantage to other areas when attracting business, including air traffic. Raleigh, OTOH, has a personal income of less than 80% of Kansas City's.
Of course, this doesn't account for total economic impact, but it will seriously affect leisure travel numbers, which account for a significant amount of any airline's revenues.
Just some thoughts on that.
By the way, I'd rather MCI's extra gates were used by new-entrants like B6 and Independence Air or some other new carrier than to expand service by an existing airline.
By the way, nothing but respect for US's people at MCI. Met some good people while I was there with FL (we shared facilities).
[Edited 2004-06-02 04:53:23]
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Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21775 posts, RR: 19 Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5117 times:
I can see MCI-BOS as US does serve DCA-MCI (actually, it's US Express- YV), but MCI-RDU seems a little far-fetched. Did NJ run this route when it existed? Increasing P2P from BOS, DCA, and potentially MCO and other Florida cities makes sense. There's a heck of a lot more O&D potential in BOS and WAS than in PIT (or CLT, for that matter), and BOS lacks a hub. US always has exemplary service and I hope they pull through, but only time will tell. Maybe if they sent those 757s over the pond a la CO...
[Edited 2004-06-02 05:22:23]
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Blhp68 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 149 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5087 times:
I was referring to southern Florida, MIA, FLL. When I worked as an intern at MCI last summer the marketing dept. was pushing hard for N/S down to that area.
BOS-MCI according to the latest DOT stats, over 200 people daily fly that route. I understand that it may not be profitable, it just seems like BOS is one of those major cities you need N/S service to.
RDU-MCI, might be a little far fetched, I guess when Southwest pulled out that pretty much signals that no carrier could make it on that route.
At the completion of the Renovation of the terminals, there will be roughly about 15 gates throughout the three terminals. I know they are working to attract new carriers, we will have to wait and see if the economy can improve though.
I am sorry, I didn't mean for this to be a MCI thread. What do you think about the strategy? What routes will work? Will the strategy work? Or will US Airways be selling those brand new EMB 170 within the next 2 yrs due to a complete fold of the business?
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6692 posts, RR: 18 Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4935 times:
Being from RDU, I would have to agree that the RDU-MCI is a little far fetched. There doesn't seem to be the traffic, business or leisure, that would be going to MIC from RDU. There just aren't enough business ties from RDU. Most airlines realize that RDU traffic is 50/50 business/leisure.. so they have to find markets that cater to both....
However, RDU-LAX, RDU-MKE, RDU-JAX, RDU-BUF, RDU-MSY, RDU-BHM, RDU-Charleston WV, and even RDU-IND would work... but none of those have vaporized either... yet. The possibilities are endless...
KBUF737 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 779 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4686 times:
The AA and Midway flights to RDU were quite popular when they served BUF, however AA closed RDU hub, which left us high and dry until Midway came. They operated daily RJs and it was quite popular, great little airline from what I understood. However Midway went under as well, and now we are without RDU service. WN and AA could pick the ball up, AA with RJ's now. If not, opportunity knocks for US.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7716 posts, RR: 17 Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4643 times:
I still believe that USAirway's P2P strategy will be almost exclusively confined to DCA, LGA, and BOS, with a couple of others thrown in for good measure. Routes like Raleigh-KC or Boston-KC seem a bit far fetched. Some Florida P2P could be a possibility, but it seems more and more that the LCCs may have just beaten US to most of the decent city pairs.
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SD330PSU From United States of America, joined May 2004, 31 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4573 times:
I believe you will still see quite a few PIT - point to point services after the hub is downgraded. Examples like LAX, LAS, SAN, MIA, ORD, DEN, SEA, AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA. Maybe a few more as well.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21775 posts, RR: 19 Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4414 times:
Given that US is weak on the West Coast (intentionally) and that the UA codeshare exists, I doubt that PIT will see service to anywhere west of ORD, with the possible exception of DEN for further western feed. PIT-AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA also seems a little far-fetched. The O&D there would be minimal and US is deemphasizing PIT as a place for connections.
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Pgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 791 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4364 times:
Along with multiple daily DEN flights (more than we have now), I think PIT should very easily be able to fill 1-2 daily LAX and/or SFO flights, maybe a little more when figuring in *A Connection opportunities at both LAX and SFO. Possibly also a SEA, PHX, and LAS.
As for these "other" point to points, I too have no idea where they might go outside of additional PHL, LGA, BOS, DCA to Caribbean/Florida/South America? LCC's have taken care of almost everything? Maybe an RDU-west coast? Hardly enough to cover for the downfall of PIT
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2055 posts, RR: 38 Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4327 times:
I'm not sure why everyone is speculating about far fetched flights from RDU or flights like PIT-AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA (The Bayer argument is getting extremely old BTW), they have practically told us what their strategy is in one press release. DCA, LGA, and BOS will see almost all of the growth as they are the surest bet that US has at this time. They are in no position to start stuff like RDU-BHM or RDU-CRW.....
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6692 posts, RR: 18 Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4305 times:
Agreed, they are long shots.. but what you will read from what I posted is that the other cities mentioned have better odds than a RDU-MCI route. Not that those routes should be any priority over any other.. we gotta stop the RDU hating now..
Kcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3708 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4229 times:
25000 , What??? you think that's the population? Whats that number mean? and even if you mean 250000, the population area that yeager serves is closer to 600,000 because we get passengers from HTS, BKW, LWB, CKB, and parkersburg. Basically the wole state. And with independence air coming, the passengers that drive to CMH or PIT will most likely come back. Also on the date that Indy Air comes, all airlines are lowering their fares.
N670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1599 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4210 times:
CRW's metro population is about 306,000, and shrinking.
I agree with LambertMan. For an area of its size, CRW has a rather nice array of air service, with all of the network carriers except AA serving the area. I don't see all this "untapped market" you're talking about.
CRW also has service to IAD on UA Express and IAH on CO Express.
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2055 posts, RR: 38 Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4179 times:
That was the figure I found on some random website so I'm not certain its correct.
Sounds like N670UW has some sense
The fact of the matter of this post is that the strategy presented to us, p2p growth out of DCA, LGA and BOS. There isn't much debate about what their strategy is. I think that it is a good strategy, go with your bread and butter that you've had over the years and if you lose with that, at least you lost with your best effort. Sitting there and letting PIT bleed money away would have been a lackluster effort in my mind to save the company.
A. Do I think it will work?
Possibly, just too many intangibles for someone outside of the company to determine right now.
B. Do I think they will survive?
Sadly I think all signs point to no. I hope to be proved wrong however