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Incredible! John Kerry Flew PIE-TPA  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3595 times:

I heard that he was in St. Petersburg yesterday, and that he had an event at USF today. I was wondering if he would drive over or fly.

Well, here's the answer:


Airline Transmeridian Airlines
Flight Number 711
Departure City (Airport) Saint Petersburg, FL (PIE)
Departure Time 06/01/2004 08:31 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Tampa, FL (TPA)
Arrival Time 06/01/2004 08:33 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 757-200
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived


Airline Transmeridian Airlines
Flight Number 711
Departure City (Airport) West Palm Beach, FL (PBI)
Departure Time 06/01/2004 06:16 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Saint Petersburg, FL (PIE)
Arrival Time 06/01/2004 06:55 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 757-200
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived




Departure times are shown in departure airport local time.
Arrival times are shown in arrival airport local time.




A WHOPPING 2 MINUTES!!!!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!


I'm curious, would they have even retracted the gear?  Laugh out loud




[Edited 2004-06-02 15:20:16]


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 3398 times:

That doesn't necessarily mean that HE flew from PIE to TPA. It's quite possible that the plane was repositioned in order to speed his departure today. Then again, maybe he just doesn't like traffic.  Smile


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineTCTTX From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 3390 times:

Back on that fateful day in 1963, JFK flew FTW-DAL.


User currently offlinePhatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1354 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3361 times:

I think the process of getting back on the plane, then taxiing, then flying for two minutes, then taxiing to hardstand, then disembarking, would involve more time than crossing the Howard Franklin. I would go w/ FoxBravo's assumption that this aircraft was repositioning.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12104 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3325 times:
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Also it is not like he has the hassle of dealing with the TSA when he flies, like the rest of us.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2171 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3295 times:

Oh so he doesn't have to deal with the TSA when he flies? Funny, I thought they would do their procedures on everyone - at least they did it to the Crown Prince of Spain the other day in Miami.

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

There is a difference--the prince was taking a scheduled flight, with other passengers on it, whereas Kerry's flights are private charters. When you charter a plane yourself, and no one else is being put at risk, you can carry an AK-47, a machete, or whatever the hell else you want--but that is obviously not the case on a scheduled flight, no matter who you are. Do I think what the TSA did to the prince was right? I don't know--I wasn't there. But I do know that it's totally irrelevant to this discussion.


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12104 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3203 times:
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Thank you for that info FoxBravo and I could not say it better myself.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

He shoulda just used the Courtney Campbell. Too bad all those "fun" places on the Tampa side are all gone. Joe Redner could have rolled out the welcome mat!




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User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

It would have been neat to watch the 757 from the PIE control tower (the entire flight would probably have been visible). I was in that area this past weekend and I noticed that the planes were landing from the north and taking off to the south. My guess is that the plane took off to the north, took a right over Safety Harbor, then across to TPA, landing from the north.



Bill in ATL
User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

"When you charter a plane yourself, and no one else is being put at risk, you can carry an AK-47, a machete, or whatever the hell else you want--but that is obviously not the case on a scheduled flight, no matter who you are."

Not true.

A chartered plane can to some significant damage to a building too. There is always more risk than to just the flight crew and passengers.

M


User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Everyone who goes on board the airplane must go through security clearance. The reason behind that is a story when a non-revving pilot aboard the PSA flight shot both pilots. Since that incident, everyone goes through security clearance.

http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-pa1771.shtml



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User currently offlineBenjamin From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Everyone who goes on board the airplane must go through security clearance. The reason behind that is a story when a non-revving pilot aboard the PSA flight shot both pilots. Since that incident, everyone goes through security clearance.

This is completely and utterly wrong. Two weeks ago I few a number of segments on a private Hawker (Madison, WI-MDW-DEN-LAS). At NO TIME were were screened by the TSA. They weren't even around. We were in a private charter terminal.


User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5497 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

You don't go through security when on a private/chartered jet from an FBO.

Justin


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Two weeks ago I few a number of segments on a private Hawker (Madison, WI-MDW-DEN-LAS). At NO TIME were were screened by the TSA. They weren't even around. We were in a private charter terminal.

Then who is to stop you from killing the pilot, then climb in the seat yourself and fly it into a crowd of people,building, another aircraft......  Confused






Kerry plane..

you're right, I hadn't considered a repositioning.

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

The reason why we all go thru security clearance is there are a lot of perverts and assholes in the US, and they need jobs too, so we make them security screeners, so they can feel you up and give everyone a hard time. Since this is the land of opportunity for all, everyone goes through security clearance.  Insane

B


User currently offlinePitrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3177 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Transmeridian is a Part 121 carrier, doing these charters for profit (a commercial air carrier). I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the same security procedures apply here as in other 121 flights, scheduled or charter.


FLYi
User currently offlineBostonguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Knowing Kerry I bet he flew and made the wife take the Howard Franklin.

User currently offlineSprxflyswa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

For one, wasn't the PSA/USAir ex-employee a flight attendant?
Secondly, QX flight crews at one PNW city were not required to go thru security enroute to their aircraft until within the last 8 months. They are now, though.

I have heard about some college football charters where they screened the players/coaches,etc. And here in BOISE, these were handled out at a local FBO, and I think the airline, Champion Air,flew in their own TSA folks and equip.,but am not sure.


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

a little off the subject but is there a certain routine that planes have to use when landing at pie or tpa? can they land two planes at the same time (considering the airports are only across the bay area)?


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User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5517 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

How the hell could it takeoff, take a left turn and land within 2 minutes? That has to be wrong!

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

a little off the subject but is there a certain routine that planes have to use when landing at pie or tpa? can they land two planes at the same time (considering the airports are only across the bay area)?


Absolutely. Remember the airports are a good 10 miles apart.




How the hell could it takeoff, take a left turn and land within 2 minutes? That has to be wrong!


If TLH's scenario is correct, a 3 to 5 minute flight is probable.

If he took off to the south, and had to land from the north, he would have to loop around the west side of PIE, then around the north side heading east to join the TPA flight path. I'm just curious at what point did PIE tower hand to TPA approach. Would they have gone to TPA approach or straight to tower?

 Nuts confusing!



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

JFK did not depart Ft. Worth for Dallas from Meacham Field on 11/22/63. Ship 26000, a B-707-353B, departed Ft. Worth from Carswell AFB, then a B-58 Base, and home to the Convair Factory that built the B-32, B-36, B-58, and later the F-16, and flew to DAL. It's a lot further, close to 35 or 40 miles from Carswell to Love Field.

User currently offlineF9Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 696 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Since Senator Kerry is a bona-fide presidential candidate, his security is handled by the Secret Service. They are responsible for providing security on Kerry's charter flights. If you thought the TSA was strict with security, you haven't seen anything until you try to get anywhere near President Bush or Senator Kerry. You have to go through a full background investigation before the Secret Service will even think of letting you on the plane. Also, they will hand-search EVERYTHING in your possession. If it is electronic, they will ask for a demonstration. If you have a camera, they will take your picture with it to make sure it isn't a gun in disguise. A lot of senior staff at the TSA came from the Secret Service. That is how the TSA got to be so thorough at the start.

It is possible that the Secret Service could have recommended he fly from PIE to TPA for security reasons. If they do the same thing with Senator Kerry's motorcade as they did with President Bush's motorcade, it would have been a mess. They would have closed down both directions of any highway he would use, and even prevent any traffic from crossing the motorcade route, too. I saw this yesterday with President Bush here in Denver. A co-worker got stuck for 30 minutes before they would let him cross the street, and he was first in line, too.

F9Fan


User currently offlineJ_hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Tristarenvy: Just cause the Tanga is gone doesn't mean TPA has no fun! As you probably know, Joe R is still doing a decent business with the Mons Venus and other places...and a few bucks (ok, $20) will get you a GREAT view of various "cockpits"  Smile

I went only twice...had a fun time!

And flying might be a way to avoid closing more roads than needed...




COBOL - Not a dead language yet!
25 KBUF737 : Would he have contacted departure, or gone right to Tampa tower? Big S turn too, saying that 35 was used at PIE and 36L at TPA. Fly High, Fly Proud. -
26 UPS Pilot : Why would he do this? First off landing fees are less at PIE than at TPA. Second why would he or should we say his campaign pay for 2 landing fees for
27 SlamClick : Re: PSA 1771 The person who did the shooting was not a pilot and was not a flight attendant. I believe he was a lower end manager in either customer s
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