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User currently offlineYago From Iceland, joined May 2002, 232 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

Please help !!!!

I am desperate to leave my job at MAD and I want to start looking elsewhere.

Does anybody know the handling companies with passenger service and/or Ops/ramp services at Frankfurt or Amsterdam?

At Amsterdam I think there is KLM and GlobeGround ? Anything else ?

And in the technical forum, they said that at Frankfurt, there was Lufthansa, Swissport and Ibero ? Are there more and does anybody know if Ibero has a website (or their address) ?

Thank you for any help  Smile

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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3369 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

Amsterdam
http://www.aviapartner.aero/eng/
http://www.globeground.com/
http://www.aerogroundservices.nl/



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineGlobetrekker From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 851 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Their is also KLM Ground Services. They also handle non-partner flights.
Martinair does self-handling.
and you also have Menzies Aviation Group. They used to be Ogden Ground Services.
http://www4.airlinecrm.com/menziesaviation/locations.php

Hope this helps. By the way who do you work for at MAD?

GlobeTrekker



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User currently offlineAviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

I currently work for Menzies Aviation Group and at the moment they are the only handling company at AMS who are in need of new recruits. So be quick.

Aviapartner lost AF as customer due to the merge between KL and AF. They stopped hire new people since then.

KLM don't hire new personnel either and Globe Ground fired personnel lately.

Hope this helps.
Sander



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User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

In Frankfurt obviously FRAPORT, they don't hire at the moment.
Also ACCIONA, also not hiring.

I am working for the new company AHS (Aviation Handling Services). They are hiring at the moment, but only on a part time basis. MUC looks much better...


User currently offlineYago From Iceland, joined May 2002, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3321 times:

First thank you all for all these answers  Big thumbs up

Are Fraport and Acciona really handling companies like Swissport for example ?
And what about Ibero?

Hope this helps. By the way who do you work for at MAD?

I work at LCAG but before I was Flight Dispatcher for GG at CDG and before that for Swissport in NCE  Crying

I seem incapable of finding any postal address for KLM HR in their website, anyone knows ?


User currently offlineLan707 From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Yago,

Acciona is a Handling Agent for Pax & Ramp Handling here at AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA and belongs
to Ineuropa in Spain.

They handling for quite a lot of companies here at AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA :

Rampservices: LA,CX,QF,BA,AY,EK,ET,AY,IB,MA,FI etc.
Paxhandling: FI,LA,QF,UX

The see always new faces so there must be hiring!!!!!

What kind of job are you looking for?????

slds

LAN707


User currently offlineFRALIM From Germany, joined Jun 2003, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

This is not all correct Lan707.

Yes, Acciona is a spanish company but they don't belong to Ineuropa. It's more the other way around. Ineuropa is a 80% subsidiary of Acciona. The other 20% are held -surprise surprise- by Fraport. So they are competitors in FRa but partners in Spain. I guess that's business  Wink/being sarcastic

Yago: as mentioned above for ramp services in FRa there are only Fraport and Acciona. For Check-In there is also swissport and some others, which I can't remember at the moment. Airlines having their own personell for passenger servive in FRa are LH (Of course), BA. AF, CX, SA, AA, AZ, and I think even LO. I hope I didn't forget any...

I think working for an airline should be cooler, but I don't know wheter they are hireing any people at the moment. But as Lan707 said I think you should always be able to get a job with Acciona. As far as I know Acciona has recently acquired ramp services for EK as well.....


User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

FRALIM:

Acciona HR told me last week that they are not hiring at the moment, maybe later in July/August.

And again: Fraport and Acciona aren't the only handling companies in AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA. AHS is a new start up out of Terminal 2.


User currently offlineYago From Iceland, joined May 2002, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

What kind of job are you looking for?????

If possible Flight Dispatcher if not, something else doesn't matter  Smile

It is strange that you tell me that only Fraport and Acciona have ramp services because when I was working for Swissport I nealry went to Frankfurt to work as a Flight Dispatcher. But that was a long time ago...

And what about Ibero? It's only PAX service?


User currently offlineLan707 From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3228 times:

Yago,

as far as I know only FRAport and Acciona can do ramphandling at AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA, that means ramp operations like loading,push back and so on.

Swissport and Ibero are doing Pax Handling and Flight operations but no ramp handling.



User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3218 times:

"...as far as I know only FRAport and Acciona can do ramphandling at AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA, that means ramp operations like loading,push back and so on."


I don't want to bore everybody, but yet again:

Fraport and Acciona AREN'T the only handling companies in Frankfurt. AHS is a new start up out of Terminal 2. And yes, they do ramp operation, including loading and push back!

I bet there are even more handling companies in Frankfurt...


User currently offlineYago From Iceland, joined May 2002, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Thanks  Big grin

And I think I've found an old Station Manager of mine in Frankfurt.

What about Amsterdam ? No other handling companies apart from the already given ?


User currently offlineFRALIM From Germany, joined Jun 2003, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

I know we are repeating ourselves and It seems like we are kinda getting off-topic, but I still have to correct you Setjet:

There are only two companies for ramp services at FRa. Ramp services includes -as Lan707 already said- transport of bags cargo etc. on the ramp as well as loading and unloading and push-back (don't know whether I missed out anything). Only Fraport and Acciona are allowed to provide these services at FRa at the moment.

Until 1996/97/98 (not sure about the exact year) Fraport (the operator of Frankfurt Airport) was having a monopoly for ramp services in Frankfurt. Then the European Union decided that the market for Ground handling would have to be liberalized in the EU. At that time at other airports (like LHR and I think AMS as well) there was already competition but not in FRa. As Fraport didn't want to have competitors on its own airport they tried to get an exception from the EU. So the market was not fully opened and only one other company was allowed to enter the market. That tender was won by Acciona (I think there was also a tender for self-handling but no airline wanted to self-handling on the ramp). So since then there have been two companies offering ramp-handling in Frankfurt. I am not 100% sure but I think that exception will run out in the next years, then there will be a new tender for another license. Don't ask me when that will happen, because I don't know but I am pretty sure that it has not happened yet so that AHS can't be offering ramp handling at the moment.

Back in the 90s when the EU decided to open the markets that was a big issue here in FRa, so I am 100% sure that a new tender would be a big issue as well, but there have been no talks about that´recently, so I must doubt that it is going to happen very soon.

These ramp services I am talking about do not include the work of a ramp agent. Maybe it's services like flight and or especially ground ops which are offered by AHS, because these markets like the whole passenger handling are not restricted. So you find many guys of different handling companies out on the ramp working as ramp agents (or something similar) but none of them (unless they work for Fraport or Acciona) would be loading a bag into an aircraft at the moment.

So and in case that you still don't believe me I can offer a link as proof:
http://www.iata.org/ighc/public/details.aspx?airport=fra

AHS is also included in that list of handling companies. Please mind the red X next to ramp services.

OK I hope I could clear things up...

Yago: I am afraid my post won't help you much but I still hope you will find a good job with a handling company either at AMS or FRa!!!!

Chris


User currently offlineFRASYD From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

100 points to FRALIM! He's perfectly right.

Just SOME MORE additions:  Big grin

Actually, we had exactly the same topic in Aviation Polls two days ago where I stated, that the new competitor on Frankfurt's ramp will be here by 2007. There will be an election where ramp handlers have to bid for the job...

The European law was transformed into german right in December 1997. It is called BADV (BodenAbfertigungsDienstVerordnung). Acciona was elected in 1998 and came into service in April 2000.

Cheers, no prob, FRALIM! Cya tomorrow..  Smile

[Edited 2004-06-03 22:41:19]

User currently offlineGlobetrekker From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 851 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

-FRALIM
Yago: as mentioned above for ramp services in FRa there are only Fraport and Acciona. For Check-In there is also swissport and some others, which I can't remember at the moment. Airlines having their own personell for passenger servive in FRa are LH (Of course), BA. AF, CX, SA, AA, AZ, and I think even LO. I hope I didn't forget any...

Do all of these airlines indeed do passenger self-handling ate FRa or are they what you call Ground Handling dedicated staff? You know when the ground handling company represents the airline at a station wearing the airlines' uniform?

I just ask, because I did that for KLM and Martinair at my station in Aruba (AUA) when I worked at Menzies Aviation Group in the past. Now we do self-handling, however ramphandling is done by a ground handling company.

GlobeTrekker



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User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

Thanks FRALIM for clearing everything a up a little bit. I guess we were talking about two different things:
AHS is providing handling services, including check in, boarding, ramp supervision and push back assistance. Obviously they don't have there own push back trucks. But they do pretty much everything else.


User currently offlineFRALIM From Germany, joined Jun 2003, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Globetrekker: I know that sometimes you find staff wearing the airline uniform, though they are actually employed by ground handling company. I defenetly know that LH, BA, AF, CX and SA do self-handling in FRa, because I know people working for these airlines. I also once read that they are 7/8/9 airlines at FRa doing self-handling (unfortunately I can't remember the exact figure), so I think there most be more. And as the check-in staff of AZ,AA and LO wears the airline uniform I thought that these two airlines do self-handling as well. Maybe even RG does self-handling but here i am not 100% sure.

But as we said you actually can't judge by the uniform. One example is IB: I can't say whether they are doing self-handling or not, though their staff is wearing IB-uniforms. The problem is that in the past they were first handled by Fraport and later by BA. When they were handled by BA the check-in staff for IB flights was wearing IB uniforms though they were employed by BA (OK sometimes you saw staff in BA uniforms checking-in for IB and the other way around, but that was not the way it was supposed to be). When the contract run out IB had to find a way how to do handling at FRa and I don't know what they decided to do. Their check-in staff is still wearing the airlines uniforms but as explained above that doen't necessarily mean they are now employed by IB. Maybe they can be added to the list of airlines doing self-handling maybe not...

Chris


User currently offlineGlobetrekker From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 851 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3126 times:

Ok thanks for the information Chris! It is much appreciated.

Ryan.



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User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3115 times:

You might want to send your application to this adress:

http://www.ahs-de.com/


User currently offlineLan707 From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

FRALIM

IB handling is done by Acciona(Rampside) and Pax Handling by AGT CRS, a small company who is only doing IB so far. They wear IB uniform(all spanish speaking minimum). They look similar to the few real IB staff which is a handful nowadays.

RG is doing there own handling in Pax handling and ramp is done by FRAport.
LO ist still doing there own Pax handling but I have heard they might be taken
over by LH in this part due to Star Alliance, like SQ switched over to LH Pax
handling in April this year.

The Airlines who are doing there own Pax Handling are gettling less:

I think there are only LH,AF,AZ,BA,JL,LO,AA,CX,SA,AC.....???? out of about 120 Airlines at AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA not that many anymore. Hope I didn´t foregt one any addtions are welcome.


User currently offlineAirmaxFRA From Germany, joined Jun 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

Hi all,
it may be of interest for you to check out Acciona´s recently launched website: www.acciona-fra.de
You find all information about their AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA-station there, job-offers will be included there as well soon and I know they will have need for add. staff due to their continous growth.
Yago, you may contact Acciona at MAD as well through Ineuropa Handling at MAD-airport. Let me know if you need a contact there  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Cheers,
Michael


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

I had a post asking if there were anyone here that worked for hadnling companies, and I got no responses, so I thought there weren't any. HMM but it seems as though there are some...


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User currently offlineFRASYD From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Seems like nobody wants to tell where he's working. Although I would give it a try that AirmaxFRA is working with Acciona!  Smile

User currently offlineAirmaxFRA From Germany, joined Jun 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

FRASYD you are right !  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

25 FRACO7X : @Lan707 OA is still doing their own handling at FRA.
26 Ams : Yago, Sometimes there are positions available in AMS, however for many positions Dutch is required for the position. Also I would Assume in Germany to
27 Post contains images Yago : Yago, you may contact Acciona at MAD as well through Ineuropa Handling at MAD-airport. Let me know if you need a contact there Thank you I much apprec
28 Post contains images FRASYD : Well then give it a try! Frankfurt is definitely a great airport to work at!
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