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UK Airspace Closed?!  
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

Oh dear.

Looks like all UK airspace is effectively closed, after major ATC failure at London en route centre.

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User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Just got confirmed with BBC news. All UK airspace is closed.

User currently offlineSteve7E7 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 4040 times:

Everything is grounded apparently although LHR approach is fairly active on my scanner at the moment.

Steve.


User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

From the BBC
===========

Computer failure grounds flights


All flights from UK airports have been suspended following an air traffic control computer system failure, British Airways has said.
Several airports including Manchester, Bristol and Newcastle say no flights have been allowed to take off for more than an hour.

The air traffic control centre at Swannick in Hampshire is reported to have been closed.

A BBC correspondent says no more information is expected before 1030 BST.


======================================================


The more I read about the UK these days I have to wonder what the governments have been doing for the past years....

Railway service, a joke.
Road networks, a joke.

And now problems with the ATC.....

(One Brit happy not to be in England)

[Edited 2004-06-03 08:17:55]

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

Fox news just announced it.

So, the question is? What the hell did pilots do before they had radios???



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

So, the question is? What the hell did pilots do before they had radios???

Didn't fly fast jets through crowded airspace for a start...  Smile

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 3855 times:

Apparently the problem is with a HCS (Host Computer System) at West Drayton - not Swanick. Gatwick - 1 flight ever 6 minutes is now leaving. Things should be getting better by 9am, but the knock on delays will take all day to clear.


Take a ride...fly across the sky
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

So, pull back on the throttle.

Burn less gas that way too.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

It was West Drayton last time, too, wasn't it ? It was around April 2 years ago - I remember because I was flying NCE-LHR that day, and it was madness ! I was booked on a flight due out around 5ish, I got to the airport around 3ish, the BA handling staff were actually brilliant, really helpful - fortunately most of the flights that day were not full, so they were combining flights, I got put onto the flight that was supposed to have left at 1300, which eventually left around 1800. When I got to LHR, T1 was just mental - virtually no flights were leaving, thousands and thousands of transit pax were stuck with nowhere to go, all the luggage from outbound flights had been offloaded and was piled head high in the baggage hall, with little pathways in between to get to the carousels - it was just mental.

So what's it like today - similiar story ?


User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

Scottish centre unaffected, inc oceanic, but the backlog will b horrendous

User currently offlineFJWH From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 969 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

And what about the flights TO England?


FlightS in the next 3 months: MSP, PHX, MEM, NCE, TFS, BCN. All round trips from AMS
User currently offlineSpeedbird747 From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

That's the link to the story on BBC online:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3772077.stm


User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Yep looks like West Drayton and possibly Swanick went down too, major delays being reported (up to 90 mins so far.)
Most departures are being delayed, but not grounded, and aircraft with minimum fuel are being flown straight to the destinations.
Seems like its another NATS problem, I dont want to specualte so early as Ive just heard the story on BBC after waking at 08:00.
I wonder if MAN will get any diversions today from either LHR or LGW, loos possible.


User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

Sounds awfully like Windows to me  Big grin

SailorOrion


User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

It's getting crazy over here !
Transatlantic flights are getting rerouted to DUB and SNN  Big thumbs up

Off to the airport, now  Smile

UTA



Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
User currently offlineCKT789 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 3541 times:

The computers are back up now as reported by Sky News. All the regional airports are resuming flights except for those to London Airports.

User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

How i smiled when Skynews put up a map of Britain, with Manchester Airport in Wigan, and Edinburgh as Newcastle lol.
Anyway Manchester and Newcastle are the first 2 to be reopened, with others opening, but with severe Delays (esp at Gatwick where only 4 flights have departed in the last 2 hours.)
I guess now the NATS is back up, its a question of when the aircraft will get their T/O slots, and lets not forget many of the regional airlines are going to have to be delayed Again esp on the MAN-LHR routes, so I personally think these are the flights most likely to be delayed or cancelled.


User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Sky News now reporting that "Air traffic control systems are now fully operational across Britain."

DC-10


User currently offlineMikedlayer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

I can only remember a similar situation back in 1997 I think it was. I've forgotton what day it was but it was a big day for Palma Airport - Majorca because it was the main day in which they'd get thousands of pax from the UK coming in. I remember coming to the terminal (ok our coach was involved in a fatal incident on the way!) 5 hours late, and our British Midland aircraft still hadn't landed, landed about 2 hours later because of the huge delays because of the computer crash back in the UK.

Lots of angry holiday makers that day!!

Mike


User currently offlinePanAm707320B From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

I feel sorry for all the travellers who were delayed, but I was very happy that it was just a computer glitch.

When I heard that all UK airspace had been closed I feared the worst....


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 2719 times:
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UK airspace was never closed.
Flights were prevented from taking off due to the flight data processing system outage to avoid increasing the already high ATCO workload, allowing them to prioritise aircraft already in flight.

Had the TV on most of the day, and have been amazed by some of the so called "experts" who were trotted out, who obviously didn't understand what they were talking about!

On the BBC Breakfast News this morning their "expert" was the travel editor of the Telegraph, who clearly didn't know much about ATC!

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 2566 times:
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You should have seen the backlog of aircraft queing on the threshold of 27L when things got up running again. I counted 12 aircraft at one stage, not that that was unusual at LHR, but quite a sight.



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3032 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 2522 times:

Only this can happen in the UK.

We supposedly boast this new "all singing - all dancing" new ATC that is the "worlds most advance ATC system" and what does it do bring the UK's airports to a halt.

How the hell cant his be allowed and senior managers get away with it, is there no back up systems or computer to take over when one goes down. In industry companies and banks would not allow this to happen.

I know nothing (or very little) about ATC and computing but only these faults seem to occur in the UK, another international embarassment for the country!


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 2494 times:

...only these faults seem to occur in the UK


Not exactly true. The brand new Irish ATC system packed up a few days ago, sending the controllers scrabbling for the backup.


User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months ago) and read 2488 times:

Anyone in that region seen any good diversions due to this?

25 Post contains images ScottishLaddie : Yes I was directly involved in this! My Dad and I were at EDI this morning for a 07.05 departure to BHX. All was fine until a BA Captain from a flight
26 BlueShamu330s : KLM to AMS would never have been affected anyway if he stayed off the advisories, as it was the FDPS software at LATCC which crashed. Even if it had a
27 ScottishLaddie : Maybe, but then why was CSA to PRG affected?
28 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : CSA goes south via DCS and the airways network and in the UIR Shamu avec Budweiser en EWR
29 Flairport : according to Delta, all of their flights ran on time!
30 Post contains images Willo : I get the feeling that yesterday was a slow news day and this incident got slightly over-hyped by the media. OK, so there were delays, but nobody was
31 Backfire : Computers crash the world over Yes, but when my desktop PC goes on the blink it doesn't cause one of the world's busiest airspaces to grind to a virtu
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