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User currently offlineWomack17 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 488 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

Can anyone with knowledge about United please answer a question for me--- United has served RDU for many years with mainline aircraft to ORD and I remember flying on a 732 to Dulles about 25 years ago. I was wondering why United took all the mainline aircraft out of RDU service? They have competed with AA for many years on routes to O'Hare. Are there any plans to upgrade the RDU-ORD service to larger aircraft? Also is RDU-DEN going to remain CR7 service for the foreseeable future or is an upgrade a possibility there also? Trust me I am not complaining RDU has been wanting a n/s to Denver for years. Thanks to all who have an opinion/comment.


Oh how I miss Midway Airlines. A class act right to then end.
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User currently offlineRdu777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

I myself love American, but would love to see United presence grow as well. I remember when the United 737s were in RDU. I would hope we might get mainline back to ORD. The pax must be right for it if American has all of their flights using Super-80s. I know they would usually use the F-100 but were taken out of RDU. I look forward to seeing United mainline come back. Also does anyone have any idea if RDU will ever see an American 757 again. I've waited so long. Please just one to DFW.


Go Wolfpack!!
User currently offlineWomack17 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 488 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

I miss those 757's too and I loved the 763 to ORD - wow - LGW-RDU-ORD - what a great flight.


Oh how I miss Midway Airlines. A class act right to then end.
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

I'm a bit sceptical on the 757 coming back to RDU in AA colours. RDU is not really a leisure destination, which is what the 757 is primarily used on (especially with LRTC). My guess is that the 738 might come in, but I think that the MD-80 will be the primary plane, just because it can do the DFW and ORD runs quite easily, and if they needed more capacity, they could just add another MD-80 (or maybe a CRJ-700/ERJ-145).

Jeff


User currently offlineRdu777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

How long do you think it'll be before United returns to RDU. I'm guessing it'll be somewhere within a year.


Go Wolfpack!!
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6437 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Hmmmm....

just so I can get reaquainted with RDU.

What airlines fly there?
With how many flights each?
Too where?
From what terminals?
Has the B terminal been rebuilt?
Is that MOTEL still in the center?

Haven't been there since 1995.


 Smile/happy/getting dizzy



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineErj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

RDU info..

RDU consists of 2 terminals (Terminal A to be renamed Terminal 1 in 2008 and Terminal C to be renamed Terminal 2 in 2008). Terminal C will be demolished in 2 parts and rebuilt from 32 gates to 42 (with an option of 12 more gates to be added later). Terminal A is supposed to be rebulit after 2010 to go from 28 gates to 40. A third parallel runway 8000' is on the FAA book for RDU after 2005 beside 23R, and 23L is to be lengthened to 9000'.

Terminal B was never really built. It was supposed to be in between Terminal A (Southwest End) and Terminal C (Midway end) but was never built.

At least 5 maintenance hangers are on the books for RDU, with the first in construction in the next year or 2.

Currently, the following airlines operate out of RDU..

Terminal C
American/American Eagle/American Connection (many destinations)
Air Canada Jazz (Hub)
United Express (Hubs)
Falcon Air Express (Bahamas)

Terminal A
Delta/Delta Connection (Hubs except Salt Lake City)
Continental/Continental Connection (Hubs)
NWA/NWA Airlink (Hubs)
Air Tran (Hub)
Southwest (many destinations)
USAirways/USAirways Express (many destinations)
America West (Hubs)

In the center of the airport is the new Parking garage, consisting of 1600 parking spaces. No hotel on the airport premises.

Possible new entrants into RDU in the next 2-3 years are rumored to be jetBlue, Frontier, United Mainline.

In the next 4-6 years include at least 2 new international carriers, currently unnamed.

All this information found from internet browsing so don't quote me on this. Hope it answered all your questions.



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineWomack17 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 488 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

I still would like to know if the UA numbers dropped that drastically at RDU that a mainline wasn't warranted. Several years ago they ran a 735 on a 1700 departure RDU-ORD-SFO - What a flight - in FC you got two entire dinners if you could find a place to stuff all that food. I flew that route for many months on business and tended to see a lot of the same FA's and flight crews - It was just a really nice flight - No video monitors and no film but a very nice flight just the same. I sure do miss the bigger UA jets into RDU - Have always had wonderful experiences with United. Bring some back guys - Just one.


Oh how I miss Midway Airlines. A class act right to then end.
User currently offlineRdu777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

I thought that they sort of dropped the Terminal A expansion project after deciding to go with Terminal C. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the third parallel runway suppose to be 9500'. I was sure that was the distance.


Go Wolfpack!!
User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

I looked it up on the FAA site (ACE info or something like that) and it stated that the runways were going to be 23R: 10,000', 23W: 8000', 23L: 9000'.

I think that the Terminal A expansion was put on the backburner while Terminal C was renovated, since they were able to get Terminal C back from AA. I do believe that the Terminal A expansion (into a 4 story, 40 gate facility) was delayed but not dropped.

Please note as of 2002:
ACE/APPEND_E.PDF>
and choose Raleigh-Durham.



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

UA made a grave mistake when they exited the RDU market. I used to regularly receive the local passenger counts for all UA/UAX flights up until about last summer. RDU was the largest UAX station by far, even before they added the 2 RDUDEN CR7's. (The next largest stn is MKE). If RDU were a UA station, it would've been the 33rd largest UA city (in terms of pax boardings) right behind CLT (32nd). RDU boards more than plenty of mainline stations (GSO, RIC, MDT, ALB, ROC, BUF, and plenty out west I can't recall). It still amazes me that UA closed RDU, MKE, SYR, HPN. Those were all good markets, but I think it comes down to corporate contracts and the fact that UA was doing all possible to cut costs in the wake of 9/11. UA had the perfect chance to come back when DH pulled their agents/rampers in May, but instead gave the stn to ZW. So I'd have to say, I doubt UA has plans to come back which is sad, because they are noe the only legacy carrier without mainline service to RDU... And Personally I think RDUDEN on a CR7 should be illegal. 4hr block on an RJ?! Come on now, it's always oversold, weight-restricted and often it's delayed.

On another note, I heard AA is mulling a RDUFRA n/s. Apparently they've had the rights for some time...

As far as other carriers go...F9 and B6 get mentioned alot, but the issue is gate space or lack thereof. If you want to get a good laugh, check out the Terminal A ramp at 2am, airplanes double, triple parked everywhere and DL parks some 757's over at TWY GH and some RJ's at FBO's.

RDU is a strong Cat. I airport. It has great local traffic (higher than CLT's O&D), and pretty good management for the most part.

Notes From above:
The new RWY 5W/23W (or whatever it's called) is supposed to be 9500'. The new parking decks hold 16,000 cars not 1600.

My 2 cents,
-r




Sometimes we don't realize the good times when we're in them
User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

Oops.. did I forget a "0".. my bad.. someone needs to tell the FAA that RDU is supposed to be getting a 9500' cause their website has 8000' (on their 1991 and 2002 ACE Update). As far as overnight parking, I arrived at RDU late one night on an AE flight at about midnight:15.. and it looked like I-40 at 4:00pm! I was like.. well what the? I mean AA has about 22 planes out there.. UAX had about 7.. Hell, even AC had a plane there.. I was like, jigga what? And it was more flights still coming in for the night.. I was like, are they gonna park them on the runway? RDU must be cheap to park a plane, no?

Currently, RDU has 3 open gates.. 2 are in Terminal A and we all know it is TOO crowded to move into there.. and 1 in Terminal C (C13.. although it may not be available since the AA Admirals Club is now in Gate 12). But RDU does seem to be at capacity. But with UAX having 3 gates.. surely at least 1 mainline flight must be in the forseeable future... those J41's can't be their biggest artillery for RDU.. perhaps I shall have to email them and inquire.



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6437 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

So the old Terminal B, that used to be too the left of C, this is gone???

Long gone??????

This was the original terminal, correct?

This was vacant waaaaay back in 1995.

Motel is gone too, eh??? Interesting.



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineRdu777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

Wow first time rumor for me. I've never heard of RDU-AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA before. I would love to have the service. Does the triangle have enough of a market to support such a flight? I wouldn't doubt it if the Airport Authority was trying to get the flight. They had a statement saying that now with the LGW flight being here over a decade, they would start trying to bring in other Trans-Atlantic flights. Get ready for the bashing. I just read that, so everyone that knows it all at least keep it clean.

Hey get this, in the last five months I've known four families that have taken the RDU-LGW flight. None of which had any connections with GSK.



Go Wolfpack!!
User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2036 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

The motel is long gone... it was razed some years ago to make room for the huge new parking garage that's gone up between the two terminals.

Terminal B was used by Eastern and USAir until the late 1980s, when operations were consolidated in Terminals A and C. It sat empty for about ten years, but was superficially renovated and reactivated in 1996 as the "Terminal A Annex." Now it houses check-in for Southwest and AirTran, and baggage claim for Southwest, AirTran and US Airways. The old lower-level Terminal B gates were demolished and replaced with a six-gate extension of the upper-level Terminal A concourse.


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

The "Terminal B" of lore was changed to Terminal A-Extension (the original Terminal). It is still located in the same spot. The Terminal B that I speak of was supposed to be a "true" Terminal B located between Terminal A-Extension and Terminal C. That terminal was never started.

The Terminal A - Extension is home to Southwest and AirTran counter (with some counter space still available if any airlines wish to accept), and the gates in Terminal A extention belong to Southwest and USAirways.

As for the hotel, I don't know of any hotel at RDU. Perhaps Womack knows of what you speak. 727Lover, you should really visit the place. The new GA Terminal has photos of RDU thorugh the years.. with an observation deck overlooking the runway 23L.. designed specifically for planespotters.. hopefully they are planning on tearing down the 2 hangers blocking the runway to the right though...



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

The two in Term A(actually it's 3 gates, A10-A12) are leased by Independence Air and will be used starting 16Jun. There's no space in Term. A and C13 is AA's gate but is on the fringe of the renovations.

Speaking of the J41's...DH retired about 15 of them last night and the remiaing half dozen or so get retired in late Jul early Aug.



Sometimes we don't realize the good times when we're in them
User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

RDUDDJI...

1st Question.. do you work for RDU? If so.. way cool.. we have to talk more..
2nd Question.. Is a gate 13 unlucky?
3rd Question.. Have you seen the new FlyI area? Is it cool..
4th Question.. Doesn't Air Wisconsin have J41's also? Won't they still be flying those into RDU?



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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Answers:

Q1: Nope, I work in Washington now-a-days.
Q2: Maybe, but AA has used it for years.
Q3: I haven't yet, but I'm flying into RDU tomorrow, I'll check it out.
Q4: They don't have 41's. They do however operate the illustrious BAe146!

In a former airline life, I worked for JI. Since then I have worked for 3 other carriers in various capacities. I still miss JI though...

-r



Sometimes we don't realize the good times when we're in them
User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

ahhh.. yes.. Midway #2... there is no A13 though.. seems odd that there would be a C13 but not an A13.. and yes, UAX is moving from J41 to BAe146.. oh the horror! Why don't they just bring some damn RJ in here and quit treating RDU like a redheaded step child. Shall I lead a Boycott of UAL?




Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineRduBE90Pilot From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

My co-pilot is an old timer here in Raleigh and he said that the microburst of "96?-'97?-98? (somewhere in there) was the reason for the hotel being gone. He told me there was so much damage to it that they wrote it off and cleared out for the parking garage.

Just what I've heard.

Eric


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

well, RDU has open space now. The area where Park & Ride 1 was located. Since it is closed, wonder what they are going to do with that area. Also, the area beside the new garage.. in front of Terminal A Extension.. what is that going to be used for.. so many questions.. no answers...


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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

The area by Term A Ext. is eventually going to be another parking deck or at least that's what the orig. plans called for. P&R 1...good question? Overflow parking maybe...would be a nice location to expand South Cargo 3.


Sometimes we don't realize the good times when we're in them
User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

More parking? Good Lord.. there aren't that many people for that. P&R 1 isn't going to be a parking lot anymore.. the overflow P&R are 2 and 5. It's supposed to be turned into offices or something.. but I"m not sure what...


Aiming High and going far..
User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

Hold up.. thanks to someone's posting (another thread), I was able to get a look at daily departures to several destinations from RDU..

here is the website.. http://www.faremeasure.com

Interesting stuff there.. according to this website.. the following markets are underserved from RDU... meaning there are flights from RDU with lower traffic than these routes...

RDU-LAX Area ( LAX, LGB, ONT, Santa Ana, Glendale, SBA ) = 709 daily pax (at least 2 mainline)

RDU-Bay Area ( SFO, OAK, FAT, SMF, SJC ) = 685 daily pax (at least 2 mainline)

RDU-BUF = 194 daily pax (at least 3 RJ)
RDU-IND = 170 daily pax (at least 2 RJ)
RDU-MCI = 301 daily pax (at least 3 RJ)
RDU-MSY = 229 daily pax (at least 2 mainline)
RDU-SAN = 267 daily pax (at least 1 mainline)
RDU-PBI = 157 daily pax (at least 2 RJ)
RDU-SEA = 268 daily pax (at least 2 mainline)

Other notable places.. BHM (116), JAX (109), ISP (147), SDF (132), MKE (130), SLC (152), SAT (152)

Am I wrong in these quotations?



Aiming High and going far..
25 MSYtristar : Ah do I ever miss the days of Midway 2. Nonstop CRJ's (and eventually 73G's) between RDU and MSY. Those flights were full too...everyday...even when t
26 ERJ170 : Well, remember the onld Terminal C well, for soon it will be gone.. and the new terminal will be 3 times bigger with more room to move.. instead of be
27 Rdu777 : Hey how many RDU locals do we have here? I would just like to know. Maybe we can get an spotters group going. Just a thought. Anyways it sounds like a
28 727LOVER : Well, remember the old Terminal C well, for soon it will be gone.. Wasn't this just opened in 1987 for AA's hub?
29 ERJ170 : Yes, but it was built as a connecting terminal.. very narrow hall, not spacious, and difficult navigation.. the new terminal is supposed to be open an
30 Rdu777 : I just wish Terminal A had more windows. The window space is very limited. Hopefully Terminal C will be a lot of glass.
31 MAH4546 : RDU-LAX Area ( LAX, LGB, ONT, Santa Ana, Glendale, SBA ) = 709 daily pax (at least 2 mainline) Santa Barbara is hardly LA area. RDU-Bay Area ( SFO, OA
32 ERJ170 : MAH4546.. Let's get something straight.. First, as far as being closer to one of the larger markets (SFO, SAN, or LAX), SBA is closer to LAX than any
33 Post contains images Womack17 : Wow - I am glad to see that this topic has really taken off. First off - A hardy welcome to Rdu777 - RDUDDJI and RduBE90Pilot - Nice to have some pro
34 RDUDDJI : As I mentioned earlier, I think the constraint on West Coast Flights at this time is gate space. AA is probably the most likely candidate to start RDU
35 717-200 : It would be nice if P&R 1 could be converted to Employee Parking, so that some of us that work at RDU could at least walk to work instead of having to
36 Post contains images LambertMan : Womack, This isn't about an airline respecting a city, its about making money, and if UA doesn't feel mainline can be supported by RDU, then they won'
37 ARCJET : United entered RDU with the acquistion of Capital Airlines on July 1, 1961 which was also the day Princess Diana was born. There were flights from RDU
38 Post contains links ERJ170 : LambertMan.. The 50/50 split came from RDUAA, so if you have a problem with that figure.. please follow the following link and post your questions to
39 Post contains images Rdu777 : Well I'm glad all the AA anger was taken out on RDU. Actually RDU does have close to 50/50 between leisure and business. If you think about it, how ma
40 Post contains links and images ERJ170 : Somehow, this discussion got off topic. This is not about AA, but about United. What the final verdict of the thread? Does anyone who works for United
41 LambertMan : People on this website turn this into personal battles, its like by disagreeing with one of your points, I'm making a personal attack on them. It's a
42 Post contains images Rdu777 : LambertMan, I was just joking. That's why I put the smiley in there. Sorry for the confusion. Plus you can insult or disagree with anything. Doesn't r
43 Post contains images LambertMan : Not talking about you Rdu777.....
44 ERJ170 : Hmmm.... If that was directed towards me, I have put it all behind me. You DO, LambertMan, say very intriguiging and knowledgeable things... it did, h
45 Post contains images LambertMan : Ok, in the future, just remember its nothing personal. No hard feelings.
46 FlyPIJets : Howdy folks: Another fan of RDU here. Back to the topic, especially as it relates to RDU-DEN. I think it will happen exactly like ERJ170 states. If F9
47 ERJ170 : From what I understand, the RDU-DEN route was always pretty much profitable. this RJ baffles me. Doesn't make sense.. 4 hours! That's pretty much crue
48 Womack17 : I agree with the assessment that if F9 was to begin service on say a 318/733 nonstop RDU-DEN - UA would have no choice but to upgrade their service fr
49 ERJ170 : Womack, Not yet.. I believe demolition is supposed to begin in the next 2 or 3 months. They have, however, cut off all gates (as well as electricity a
50 LV : I thought WN had an IND-RDU nonstop....but I guess they have discontinued it. I think the route would work because the triangle and Indianapolis have
51 ERJ170 : LV, JI proved a lot of routes would work.. but it didn't last.. it was depending too MUCH on business and not as much on the leisure.. and as stated b
52 LambertMan : Concerning UA upgrading mainline assuming F9 made an entry with lets say two daily flights, they will do one or the other.... A. Drop it because the y
53 ERJ170 : I would assume the latter vs the former... UAL isn't known for running from F9, are they?
54 LambertMan : They don't really run from them say as AA did from WN in STL (the only time when I'd say an airline ran from another). They are able to compete with e
55 ERJ170 : I do believe they were looking for after this year, perhaps next year or so. And they would probably only do 2 flights a day on their A318 (similar to
56 FlyPIJets : Another way to think about the RDU-DEN is this. It's another route that UA offers its Denver customers that F9 doesn't. I would love to think that UA
57 ERJ170 : Well, for some reason, FlyI seems to love RDU.. 14 daily flights! Right up there with places like BOS, JFK, ATL... that's very interesting... history
58 Womack17 : As I have said before and we say again - Midway's downfall was directly linked to its unrequested divorce from AA and the losing of it's FF program. I
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