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KLM Returning To ATL  
User currently offlineWorldoftui From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

According to http://www.commercialaviationtoday.com/ and klm.com, they have announced that they are returning to Atlanta on Sep 15th. It was initally planned for Oct 31, but due to anticipated demand, the early date has been chosen. They will collaborate, as usual, with NW, and will use 767-300ER aircraft.


Mark

[Edited 2004-06-04 20:00:18]

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User currently offlineTripple7 From Netherlands, joined Aug 1999, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Correct, but this will also mean that the Miami service will stop on Sep 14th. Between Sep 15th and Oct 31st AMS - ATL will be 5x weekly, after Oct 31st it will be daily.

User currently offlineBrian_ga From United States of America, joined May 2001, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

GREAT NEWS FOR ATL !!!!!
I am so glad we are getting KLM back in Atlanta.

Brian_ga  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

It is very good to bring them back to ATL again.

User currently offlineBigMac From Suriname, joined Nov 2003, 319 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

Can anyone tell me why KLM will stop flying to Miami?


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User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

I think Miami is a much more important O&D market than Atlanta. Miami has so much international business and liesure.

I think the atlanta flights would be great for a Delta codeshare, now that they are in Skyteam.

Does this have anything to do with Air France not wanting KLM to play in Miami?

An AMS-ATL-MIA flight might work.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Old news that was reported several months back.

User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

I think Miami is a much more important O&D market than Atlanta. Miami has so much international business and liesure.

Last time i checked ATL had the 4th highest O&D figures in the US, MIA was something like 15th or lower!


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

Why is this news? I booked a flight for February 2005 on KL AMS-ATL on April 10?

User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

Why is this news? I booked a flight for February 2005 on KL AMS-ATL on April 10?

Our beloved airline called KLM is known for writing a press release with socalled "news" but in reality the press release contains 90% "old" news and 10% "new" news. People still think it's all news because they've missed the first press release (great marketing trick). Editors working for magazines or internet news service have to fill space thus welcome anyone with a press release (even if it doesn't contain any news).

The news itself was known in April and we discussed it then on this board together with the reason why KLM cancelled MIA. I personally expect at least another press release before they actually launch the ATl service (just to remind anyone that they'll start). The last thing KLM wants are empty seats on their ATL service.

BTW what you'll read in a KLM press release only once are cancellations of destinations and services which they announced but which they postponed or cancelled before it started. But then, this is bad news and you'rte not going to emphasize bad news.


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

ACAfan Officially, KL is not in SkyTeam yet, and their flights are not carrying codes for any SkyTeam member other than AF. [They already carry NW and CO - but they aren't SkyTeam either - YET] B4REAL


B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineWorldoftui From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

Apologies if this is not new news people.
Either way, did a search and couldn't find it on here.
Was news to me anyway.

Mark


User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1240 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

BigMac, last time I heard anything about what date KLM was to stop MIA service was Oct 31st of this year. I can't wait to nail a few shots of KLM when I'm down there this summer.

User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2122 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

This all falls into step with the evolution of SkyTeam ... most likely handling to be done by Delta?

No KLM is not officially SkyTeam but won't they also be official in the fall, along with NWA and Continental?



Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

Glad to see KL returning to ATL. Two questions:
1. Why are they dropping MIA?
and..
2. When will we see AZ?  Smile



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32600 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Last time i checked ATL had the 4th highest O&D figures in the US, MIA was something like 15th or lower!

The Miami-area has three commerical airports, Atlanta has one.

The reasons for KLM Royal Dutch dropping MIA:
-With the new Air France merger, there is no reason for it. MIA-CDG is a high-yielding route, MIA-AMS is not. They are simply moving the traffic through Paris, where yield and demand is stronger. When they didn't have AF, Miami was a destination served more by nessecsity. It is an important and key trans-Atlantic market to have in the network. Even though KLM will no longer serve MIA, it will be in the network via Air France.
-While KLM is dropping MIA-AMS, Air France is increase MIA-CDG to 10w and Martinair Holland is increasing MIA-AMS to 6w.



a.
User currently onlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

MAH4546,

But don't discount the fact that Atlanta could definitely use another airport. The city of Atlanta has approximately 30 million O&D PAX a year.

Jeremy


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32600 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

MAH4546,

But don't discount the fact that Atlanta could definitely use another airport. The city of Atlanta has approximately 30 million O&D PAX a year.



I never discounted it. All I'm saying is that Atlanta has one airport to handle thier O&D numbers, while the Miami metro area has three.



a.
User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2533 times:


Someone had mentioned the idea of having an AMS-ATL-MIA flight...well, with KL subsequentially going into Skyteam, they could easily funnel pax down to Florida on DL...so I don't see the purpose of utilizing KL's a/c for that run. Plus with DL's great network to FL from ATL, this will give passengers a more "targeted" choice of cities as opposed to having to fly into MIA, which is horrible in my opinion.
Regards



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User currently offlineCessnaLady From Mexico, joined May 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2311 times:

Can anyone clarify "O&D" for me please?
Marie


User currently offlineFlightLover From Moldova, joined Mar 2004, 338 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2274 times:

Good to hear that KLM is coming back to ATL!!!

User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5014 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2250 times:

Can anyone clarify "O&D" for me please?

O = Origin
D = Destination

O&D: passengers who start or end their trip in that city, i.e. those who don't use the city to connect to another flight.


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1353 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Worldoftui,

Don't let the topic police discourage you. It was news to me as well as I was in Brazil in April and didn't read these boards for a month. Apparently, some people on here read these boards EVERY day and know EVERY thing that has EVER been posted.
Thanks for posting.

Aloha



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