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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6285 times:

Formal announcement coming in a week.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2004/05/31/daily42.html?jst=b_ln_hl

[Edited 2004-06-05 04:27:41]


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6232 times:

It's about time they said something... But BOY are they gonna be in for a bunch of delays... SFO and their fog is NO JOKE!!!! Wonder what UA is gonna do now? LCC at every door they own! Denver, Dulles, SFO... Chicago (Midway).. dang!! Will it END?


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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6213 times:

Not going head to head with Jetblue is a good idea. However, I don't quite understand why management is in NYC and ops is in SFO. However, that does indicate that SFO-NYC will be one of the initial routes.

User currently offlineDbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

How soon will we see an order for some planes?

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6192 times:

ERJ, the delays were a big problem pre-9/11, growth stifling in fact. With traffic levels down 20% though - it hasn't been nearly as bad.

In any case the problem will return as traffic is gradually returning to pre-event levels - hopefully this will get the city off its ass to resume working on the runway reconfiguration though.




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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6188 times:


And how long will it take to get the Intl terminal in working condition?


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6179 times:

Finally the west coast gets a new airline based here.  Smile Looking forward to flying Virgin's planes. Hope they start SFO-SEA flights.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6118 times:

And how long will it take to get the Intl terminal in working condition?

What?

N


User currently offlineBsmalls35 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6116 times:

Makes sense that SFO came out on top. In NY, JFK has jetblue and both EWR and LGA have very limited gate space.

User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6099 times:

Neil -

"and use of SFO's old international terminal for Virgin USA flights. The terminal was scheduled for renovation but that project was delayed due to lack of money. "

It has been a while since I've flown into SFO (more than 9 months), but it looked like their was a lot of work to do.



User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

Ah. Its been awhile since I was there last too, but I don't think it should take too terribly long. It was in need of major renovation, but they do things like that in record time these days.

N


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6095 times:

gig,

VirginUSA has been promised exclusive rights to gates if SFO refurbishes the old international terminal. A lot of work was done on the apron and baggage areas of the terminal but they ran out of money for interiors. Almost certainly this deal will provide the incentive to finish the job - wouldn't take any longer than it'll take Virgin to get up and running.

And operationally, you can't ask for a better location in the terminal layout 'wheel' - the old int'l terminal is just a couple minutes' taxi time (and we're talking worst case here) from the most commonly used turnoffs on rwys 28L/R.

[Edited 2004-06-05 04:46:34]


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User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 727 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6086 times:

Ya maybe now FLL will get an SFO flight. AA isn't moving in on the route so fast so Virgin US may beat them to it.


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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6077 times:


Aaron -

I was thinking the same thing - best location at the airport!!


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

This is great news for SFO. I cannot wait to see the VUSA planes at SFO. I am so excited by this announcement. Yeah, I think that LAX, JFK, and maybe MIA will be the original routes, and maybe BOS, SEA, PDX, and IAH. Those sound reasonable to me. This is great news! Good times for SFO in the near future.

-Copa


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6036 times:

For reference - the old int'l terminal is right smack dab in the middle:


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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6032 times:

I have no doubt PDX, SEA, LAX, and PHX will be west coast launch cities. I also would not be suprised to see ORD, DEN, and DFW on the table. Welcome to the west coast Virgin USA!

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6017 times:

yeah...welcome.

Still have yet to see exactly why they chose the Bay Area.

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

Good market - SF is a perennially successful tourist destination and it's not an LCC-saturated market. The competition with B6 at JFK would have been too stiff. ATA and HP both have a modest presence at SFO but their market penetration is as yet limited. Where's the real competition aside from the legacy tenants, both of whom haven't figured out how to really avoid LCC-induced vulnerabilities? You have to go across the bay to find it, and frankly it's a pain for SF and peninsula residents to utilize OAK - and that's 2 million folks right there.



[Edited 2004-06-05 05:06:08]


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User currently offlineDFWLandingPath From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5975 times:

Any chance of a link between VirginUSA and VirginBlue in Oz? Perhaps the addition of a Virgin flight between SFO and SYD?

Cheers,
DFWLandingPath


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

B6 will not threaten VirginUSA at SFO, and neither will WN. It will, however, be very interesting to see how VirginUSA competes with UA, and AS on the PDX, SEA markets, and United on the LAX, AS / KLAS), USA - Nevada">LAS, PHX type markets. I'd imagine they'll be an all coach configured airline, so of course, they will be different than these guys, but they still will be moving inn on a market or three. Let the battle begin!

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

I realize all of the population/tourist stuff, but eventhough it's not a LCC-saturated market, the fares don't seem nearly as out of control as other markets in the country. Legacy carriers offer decent pricing (thinking in terms of CO to EWR, AA to BOS, etc.) for the service--entertainment, meals, airport lounges and the all-important FF programs to which so many travelers cling.

OAK and SJC are not hard to reach airports by any means, either. For those that live in the City, it's not too much of a stretch to cross the bridge (even during rush hour if they know--like many do--the surface streets that will get them right to the on-ramps), and for those who live south of the airport, SJC isn't a hassle either.

Like I said, though, the area itself makes sense population wise, but how much lower could VirginUSA possibly drop the prices with the LCC presence at the three airports...

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

I dunno. Every SFO-IAD flight I've ever taken has been $2000.

N


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5896 times:

Do you normally have a habit of buying what seem to be walk-up First Class tickets while traveling, Gigneil?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

I don't know what Bay Area you're familiar with UAL, but OAK and SJC are by no means easy to get to for SFO's primary market. Driving, forget it - 101 is a parking lot southbound from San Mateo on every weekday afternoon and 280, while a veritable autobahn most of its length, grinds to a halt in Sunnyvale and ends up saving little time overall to SJC.

OAK? Please. I only use it because it's a 20 minute BART ride from my home in the east bay. Everyone I know who lives on the other side loathes both rail and road options. The lower deck of the Bay Bridge is a *mess* from noon on any day of the week and one never knows what mayhem will await them on the Nasty Nimitz once off. With BART, while only a 20 minute jaunt to the Coliseum station from downtown, you've got that *horrid* shuttle connection, especially now that they're doing work on the Hegenberger flyover ramp and are routing everything through 98th Ave - where the railroad crossing backs everything up at all random hours of the day. The last three times I've taken the shuttle it has taken close to 30 minutes to reach the airport from the station.

On fares, only the most competitive transcon sectors seem to have any real good prices come sale time. Only mileage hogs and business travelers who can afford the expense with the time value to avoid the OAK mess would opt to pay $220 to LAX on UAL when they can do it for $75 on WN.



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25 S12PPL : No kidding...If your paying 2 grand to fly to IAD, your getting ripped off by someone!
26 Post contains images FLY777UAL : Funny enough, it's the same one I'm sure you are familiar with! I think you might tend to embellish just a tad, as I make the trek from SMF to SFO at
27 MAH4546 : Ya maybe now FLL will get an SFO flight. AA isn't moving in on the route so fast so Virgin US may beat them to it. Virgin USA will most likely serve M
28 LGB Photos : Ummm.....we(jetBlue) flying into OAK, SJC, and SAC so we will not have any affect on VUSA at SFO and visa versa. I do look forward to shooting them at
29 Gigneil : Anything less than 7 days on United, for coach class, frequently is still in the $2000 range. N
30 Post contains links United777 : Here is an article from sfgate.com http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/06/04/state2350EDT0157.DTL
31 RayChuang : First, I think VirginUSA using SFO as a hub is not as bad as you think. Two reasons: 1) I'm very sure that VirginUSA's planes will have full ICAO Cate
32 United777 : Any of you think Alaska Airlines should be worried about anything with VirginUSA coming into it's territory? I'm sure they'll take some passengers awa
33 Aaron747 : ^ Have you seen BART fares lately? It's $12 roundtrip out to CoCo baby. LOL What 'bad weather' are you speaking of exactly? Bay Area weather is great
34 Bubbinski : Interesting.....wonder if Virgin USA's frequent flier program will have a tie in to Virgin Atlantic. If it does that would be a point in its favor, if
35 Wilco : Regarding the old international terminal... rumor around SFO is that VirginUSA will initially be using the NEW international terminal's underused gate
36 Britishmidland : SAN should be part of the game plan for Virgin.
37 AeroOzzie : "Any chance of a link between VirginUSA and VirginBlue in Oz? Perhaps the addition of a Virgin flight between SFO and SYD?" Extremely slim...I don't t
38 ARCJET : SFO looks pretty good, I was there recently, May 1, 1971.
39 Ua777222 : Looks likes a great feeding ground for Virgin.. What about UA!?! Your not kidding when you say LCC's at every door! I guess Ted might work out for the
40 Aaron747 : Oh, yes, I will certainly have three words on tip of tongue with VUSA's arrival: United, watch out.
41 Elwood64151 : Where's the real competition aside from the legacy tenants, both of whom haven't figured out how to really avoid LCC-induced vulnerabilities? Let's se
42 Ltbewr : I wonder who will 'own' Virgin USA? Who will own the 75%+ of stock ownership in USA citizen hands? Is this being treated as a separate company with it
43 ChiGB1973 : $2000 - SFO-IAD? Just a suggestion, take TZ to DCA and a cab to IAD. Take the red eye tonight, return tomorrow night, save $1500, minus the cab ride.
44 Atcboy73 : A low cost carrier based in two of the highest cost cities in the country.....................ah.................not to mention the world? And flying
45 Wedgetail737 : Does VUSA plan to have a hub and spoke system through SFO or a point-to-point operation that could include OAK, SJC and SMF?
46 Tommy767 : This is going to flop. Can Virgin REALLY compete with United at SFO? I think virgin is in for a surprise. Let's not forget that TED is also out there
47 Ckfred : It will be interesting to see if VirginUSA goes into ORD or MDW. As it is now, the only space at ORD is in the International Terminal (T5). Since DL h
48 Scbriml : Can Virgin REALLY compete with United at SFO? To paraphrase JFK, "Ask not if VirginUSA can compete with UA, but ask can UA compete with VirginUSA?" Mr
49 Post contains links FATFlyer : Here is another article from San Francisco, different than the ones posted above. This article includes the quote: "Virgin said it will be the only ai
50 Aa757first : Gigneil is right. Well close to it, at least. Wed 9-Jun-04 Washington DC (IAD) Depart 12:35 pm to San Francisco (SFO) Arrive 3:15 pm Terminal 3 2426 m
51 ChiGB1973 : There's no space at MDW.
52 Soaringadi : first of all I am very very very very very very very hella hella happy !!!!!!!! 2nd. thing does anyone know what their livery is going to be like ???
53 Post contains images Greg : Now that Boeing is back in the VirginUSA bid....what is the rumor on equipment? It would be a real thorn in their side to see even more of those damn
54 Post contains images KL911 : I would say a mix of 319's and 320's. Would be great to see them in Vusa's colours! ( whatever the colours will be...... )
55 ERJ170 : I think VUSA would probably use Boeing... Branson is trying to get into the US so I'm thinking he would probably use US planes.. then switch them to A
56 Flyinghighboy : $1200?????? Why in the world is IAD-SFO-IAD so much?
57 Cospn : I don't know if SFO is a good idea. There is quite a lot of LCC competition in the region, and the weather is attrocious. They'd need the most advance
58 Post contains images JET1977 : Just a thought... Does anyone think that the reason Virgin's Admin headquarters being located in New York will make it easier for employees ( Managers
59 Legacyins : Cospn: I believe your statement that SFO's weather is "atrocious" is a little melodramatic. No matter where an airline flies in the world, they need t
60 Squirrel83 : Congrats San Fran . . Ok lets say im flying LHR to SFO via Virgin Atlantic (VS) but my Final Destination is PDX or somting or other SNA or OAK whateve
61 Aloha717200 : This is very exciting news!!! I truly didn't expect the announcement yet. But it's great imo that they selected SFO. Yes yes there will be delay issue
62 Wirraway : Branson has already stated that Virgin USA will be a copy of Virgin Blue, having just won 'Best Low-cost airline' Virgin USA should prove a winner. Vi
63 Post contains images RayChuang : Yes, it does cost about US$6.00 for a one-way trip from much of Alameda and Contra Costa counties on BART to SFO but then, that's still vastly cheaper
64 Cospn : I Dont want to Plagerize the I Coppied the Weather comment from Elwood64151..But I agree with him SFO is known for delays hard to run a LCC that way..
65 Coronado990 : I wonder how PSA managed to operate an LCC out of SFO all those years without too much of a problem. Was it not as foggy back then? Anyway, I hope Vir
66 Aloha717200 : PSA was based in SAN.
67 Post contains images Coronado990 : I think we are getting where an airline is based and where it operates from confused. PSA had many more flights from SFO and LAX than SAN even though
68 Luv2fly : In my honest opinion Christmas is coming quicker than this airline is.....
69 Copaair737 : I think that ONT will be one of the first destinations served from SFO. No other airline currently operates that route. I think that the first destina
70 ERJ170 : Hmm.. why not LGA? are you sure they will choose JFK? that would be competing with several of the big dogs.. Peharps they would be able to get a slot
71 Roberta : Any news on the aircraft they are going to order?
72 Gigneil : IAD-SFO is a major business route, especially for United. They used to offer their transcontinental 3 class service at the popular times of day. I don
73 ERJ170 : I just wish someone would do RDU-SFO.. even once a day! Don't think VUSA has RDU in its sight anytime in the future (near or far). So sad.
74 SHUPirate1 : Gigneil-I can't figure out, for the life of me, why US Airways always gets screwed when it comes to a potential beyond-perimeter slot at National, whe
75 ERJ170 : Two words.. management & union.. USAirways screws itself too much.. I say, just pink slip and get to a real place where they can work. Can't please ev
76 Post contains images Stargoldlhr : I think this is doomed to fail. Virgin USA... People wouldnt put up with British LCC attitudes and service when the likes of Southwest offer a 100% be
77 Asuflyer05 : Hmm.. why not LGA? are you sure they will choose JFK? that would be competing with several of the big dogs.. Peharps they would be able to get a slot
78 GKirk : Is Virgin USA the proper name? If so, a bit lame dont you think?
79 ERJ170 : Ahh.. never new that about LGA.. thanks for the info... why would USAirways chose that as a focus city.. 2 Focus Cities with those kind of limitations
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