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Engine Shutdown On AF B777-300ER Delivery Flight.  
User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 722 posts, RR: 33
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13575 times:

Had heard various rumblings about this but it appears to be now confirmed. Apparent loss of engine oil pressure during the delivery flight of AFs B777-300ER and engine had to be shut down. Flight continued to Paris on the one remaining engine. Not a good start.

Luckily we have an AF Captain on A.Net who when time permits will provide more details to those interested.






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User currently offlineUALongHaul From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13469 times:

ETOPS = Important

How far out of Paris was the engine shut down?

What if that plane had to land before reaching Paris? That would be be a huge kick in the face for GE I would think (if GE are aboard that plane even......) I just got through watching the project manager of the 777 200LR and 300ER talk about how engine reliability isnt really an issue anymore, the engines are super reliable on boeing.com last night. Spoke a little too soon.

[Edited 2004-06-05 09:39:44]

User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13398 times:

Well new planes tend to have initial problems just like the A346. She will run fine after sometime.


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User currently offlineUALongHaul From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13383 times:

That plane has been in testing for ages. The engines have hundreds of hours already. Sounds like one blew out a seal and leaked oil (the loss of preassure). That is not something you expect to happen to a new engine. That happens to old engines when they are old and need new gaskets. I will be interested to hear the exact cause of what happened.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13225 times:

UALongHaul

I ran across a former RV flight engineer at the laundry the other day and we got to start talking about the old days at that airline.

Anyway something he and I both noted was that every time one of the aircraft got out of overhaul that was when something was going to break, by the time the plane was ready to go back to the shop, all the bugs had been worked out.

If I had a choice to ride in an airplane just about ready to go into maintaince, or a new build one, or one comming out of the shop, the choice is to get in the one that is almost due to go back in.

Somebody else has test flown it already to make sure the builders/maintaince guys have done their job.



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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13070 times:

Oddly enough the exact same thing happened on the proving flight at Continental for the 777. They had to shut down and divert out in Asia, although the engine was fine and it was just a faulty reading. I am not sure if this is the case on the AF flight.

That said, to suggest that the 777 should not be considered as having problems like the A346 is a bit of a stretch. The A346 while now smoothing out, had problems for over two years, we are talking one flight here.


User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13036 times:

Let's not turn this into an A vs. B post!

There just seems to be this kind of luck for a/c and airlines. UA had one of their 777's (during some big deal) lose pressure and had to drop to a low level and crack the doors (?) not too sure exactly. Nothing AF should be losing sleep over.

UA777222



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User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1566 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12936 times:

When taxying for a demo to south African, one engine had to be shut down. They subsequently orderd Airbus.

Ironic how this happens at the worst possible time.

Ruscoe


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12881 times:

If it happened, then why is Air France's official spokeswoman telling the media that there was no such incident at all?

And it's not a misunderstanding - AF has categorically denied it.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12748 times:

ETOPS = Important

How far out of Paris was the engine shut down?


Given that the 773ER can run for 5.5 hours on one engine, they could complete the flight had it failed just out of JFK  Big grin

(if GE are aboard that plane even......)

Well it's obviously a GE90-115. The question is, did it shut down or not? Air France says no and I can't find anything saying otherwise. Where did this rumor start?


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12689 times:

Well then, is it a problem with the airplane or the engine?

When I took my truck in for it's first servce the dealer's bay was full of F-350 diesels that where having gasket problems. The cold weather on those new trucks was causing all sorts of problems.



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User currently offlineNightFlier From United States of America, joined May 2004, 284 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12577 times:

Well what ever happen if it happen this is just another prime example of how reliable the 777 is, glad everything was ok.  Smile


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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12314 times:

this is just another prime example of how reliable the 777 is


The 777 is perfectly reliable, it's the dodgy engines you gotta look out for.  Big grin


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12153 times:

they could complete the flight had it failed just out of JFK

...and then be thrown in jail for doing so  Big grin


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12000 times:

I guess it's a little more significant since it's a brand new type of airplane, but people, do you realize how many precautionary in flight shut downs occur in the world every day??? Typical media blowing things way out of proportion.

User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11944 times:

I don't think this came from the media. I just checked PRRuNe. Two guys said it didn't happen on the delivery flight. One guy was more specific said it happened during a production flight test of the said AF aircraft and was reported to FAA as part of the normal incidnet reporting process.

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11200 times:
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Given that the 773ER can run for 5.5 hours on one engine, they could complete the flight had it failed just out of JFK

Whilst that may be true, I don't think the 773ER is certified to do it. Judging by CB's last post, he agrees!



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10833 times:

Whilst that may be true, I don't think the 773ER is certified to do it. Judging by CB's last post, he agrees!

Yes I am well aware... thats what the "  Big grin " was for...


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10798 times:

One guy was more specific said it happened during a production flight test of the said AF aircraft and was reported to FAA as part of the normal incidnet reporting process.

Well, there you go!


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10785 times:

"773ER can run for 5 ½ hours on one engine"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If I was on that plane to €urope, I would scream GO BACK TO JFK!!
Am I the only one thinking this??

Mike//SE



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10648 times:

"773ER can run for 5 ½ hours on one engine"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If I was on that plane to €urope, I would scream GO BACK TO JFK!!
Am I the only one thinking this??


Well if you are intending to opperate at ETOPS 330 then you obviously must be capable of flying 5.5 hours under one engine. The 773ER has done it before during certification as part of the 220 hours of ETOPS testing Boeing performed.

Of course, the flight crew would divert to the first available airport. If they had just departed JFK of course they would return. Besides JFK-CDG is a lot longer than 5 hours...


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10589 times:

Who said CDG? It could be Reykavik/ Iceland!
jjeeeehhhhhhh.......



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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10215 times:

If it happend during the delivery flight, the plane was en route SEA-CDG... I don't think Boeing delivers its a/c from JFK...  Laugh out loud

Anyway, engine shutdown happens everyday and various problems, more or less serious, can lead a Crew to a shutdown.

AF's B772ER knew two serious incident of this type :
The first one happened just a few weeks after this a/c started operations, on the route GRU-CDG. This was quite serious and the a/c diverted to LPA.

The second incident happened last year in November on a flight CDG-GIG, and the aircraft diverted to Fortaleza.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9905 times:

Am I the only one thinking this??

you... thinking???


'nuff said  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9778 times:

You´re such a nice a-h, C-boy!
jeeehhhh......again  Big grin



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25 Squad55 : If it happend during the delivery flight, the plane was en route SEA-CDG... I don't think Boeing delivers its a/c from JFK... I don't think boeing del
26 Aviationwiz : Since it was a 777, then it would be from PAE, but I've heard of planes on their delivery flights stopping elsewhere, such as at JFK, but that would n
27 UALongHaul : So this did not happen on the delivery flight but on an earlier test flight? Anyone have a clear answer that is fact and not speculation?
28 Sabenapilot : Artsyman, contrary to what you seem willing to suggest, the A340-600 does not have more problems than the B777, it is just that some people keep on di
29 Dynkrisolo : Anyone have a clear answer that is fact and not speculation? A third person on PPRuNe confirmed it again. The incident resulted in three-day delay of
30 Ruscoe : It's what production test flights are for. To sort out the problems. Shows that the system works. Ruscoe
31 Jc2354 : It seems, to me, that the 777 did what it was designed to do under these circumstances. It continued its flight with one engine until it landed. Regar
32 Airbus Lover : At what speed would a B773ER or any other B777 for that matter, cruise with only one engine running? I'd think almost half the normal cruising speed a
33 Ruscoe : Airbus Lover, The lower airspeed is taken into account as well as lower level etc, in calculating ETOPS. Ruscoe
34 AV757 : The main difference between the boeing 777 is that it has met and surpassed its design goals and reliabilty with flying colors; and the Airbus 340-500
35 Post contains images MoodyBlues : Granted I am speaking from experience on much lower tech machinery than 777s and GE High-Bypass turbo fans, but, as a general rule, if a mechanical sy
36 N79969 : Ruscoe is correct. Following an in-flight shutdown, a two engine airplane will have a more significant reduction in airspeed and altitude than a three
37 MoodyBlues : Knew there was something else I meant to mention. If someone _knows_ and could tell us as far as it relates to airplanes. But I know with boats, 2 eng
38 Artsyman : 'Why is the B777 still ETOPS certified after so many engine failures?' *** the 777 has the lowest influght shutdown rae of any engine flying commercia
39 Airbus Lover : Thanks for the info. So lets say at ETOPS330, what is the distance it can cover then? Certainly much less (almost propotionally?) than twin engine ops
40 N79969 : I think ETOPS 330 would open routes over Antaractica. There are not many airlines that would need such capability at the moment.
41 Ken777 : One of the only two times I have been on a flight encountering engine failure was on a QF 747 (SYD-LAX) when a warning light came on just after takeof
42 Mark777300 : I still have yet to read about this engine shut-down anywhere. So I'm curious as to where this information was gathered. If it happened during the tes
43 ConcordeBoy : I think ETOPS 330 would open routes over Antaractica Actually, that's the only place it wouldn't open up But since far less than 1% of the world's sch
44 Post contains links and images Jeffrito : ... 777 has suffered some very painful incidents like the engine failure during the demonstration flight to SAA in Jo'burg ... How come SAA gets so ma
45 Na : ETOPS yes or no, statistics yes or no, I would be very afraid on a twin losing one engine over the middle of the Ocean. The 777 as great as it may be
46 Northwest717 : My view on it is that, OK, it is over and done with people. No reason for A346 comparisons that are likely to get some people all fired up. The only t
47 Post contains images DfwRevolution : The 777 as great as it may be is still new. Still new ?!? As of today, the 777 has been in service exactly 8 years. And for the past 8 years, the 777
48 Roberta : The main difference between the boeing 777 is that it has met and surpassed its design goals and reliabilty with flying colors; and the Airbus 340-500
49 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I know how panicked faces of passengers look like who were on board one engined twinjet-widebodies. Bullshit Pax almost never even realize an engine h
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