Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6567 times:
I am sorry if this has already been discussed:
Is there any geographical difference of destinations from the airports LGW and LHR, for example do flights to continent A rather depart from LGW while flights to continent B rather from LHR?
BA operates from LGW and LHR... do they also depart from LGW for longhaul?
Are there many international airlines - especially intercontinental airlines - operating from both airports?
Is there any chance to bypass visa regulations with direct shuttle service? I.e. when a pax from a country with compulsory visa for the UK arrives in LHR but wants to continue from LGW: can he take some direct bus and do without Transit visa? Is baggage transported by the Airline?
Ia LGW rather good for point-to-point or can it be considered as a bub?
Then, last: do you think this costs BA, VS (do they operate from LGW??) and the BAA lots of customers, since interchange between these gateways is everything but convenient. Before changing from LHR to LGW I would rather book a flight via AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA, AMS (or CDG, although this is probably even worse than travelling from LHR to LGW)... Personally, if I operated for an airline, I would of course try to get a slot at bigger LHR in order to catch more other traffic!
ANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5319 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6524 times:
If you want to do a rough analysis of the London airports
London City (LCY) - European business centres/regional airports
London Stansted (STN) - Mainly LCC operators - UK & European destinations
London Luton (LTN) - Mainly LCC operators - UK & European destinations
London Gatwick (LGW) - Mainly Lesiure European & USA routes mainly. Quite a few LCC & Charter carriers
London Heathrow (LHR) - Everywhere!
RICARDOAB From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6522 times:
Traffic at LGW is mostly to holiday destinations and BA's operations are usually Caribbean flights. Their franchise airlines like GB Airways and CityFlyer operate routes to Europe and North Africa.
Virgin Atlantic operates much of its holiday destination flights such as Florida and the Caribbean as most of its lucrative destinations have been transfered to LHR
easyJet operates a number of services and it is the only London airport to be served by Continental, NWA and Delta. A number of Eastern European airlines serve LGW such as Estonian Air, Belavia, Transaero, Pulkovo and Hemus Air. It is the case that the majority of the flights operated into LGW are from secondary airlines, i.e. they are not the principal flag carrier, and despite operations of LCCs mostly being at LTN and STN, easyJet andRyanair both serve here.
There are a large number of charter airlines that tend to dominate the South Terminal in the summer months such as Nouvelair, Thomas Cook, TUI, MyTravel, etc. American Airlines and Emirates also operate flights to LGW, despite having numerous operations at LHR.
On a year round basis, most charter operators fly from LGW to:
Long/medium haul ops by these charter ops from LGW(most year round, some restricted to summer/winter ops):
Barbados (mostly winter)
Toronto (mainly summer)
Calgary/Vancouver (mainly winter)
Goa (mainly winter)
Sharm el Sheikh
Air Transat serve LGW year round but most of their operations are in the summer. Zoom also serve LGW in the summer. Phuket Air will soon be starting flights to Phuket and Dubai, and Emirates fly to LGW 3x daily from Dubai.
American Airlines serve Gatwick:
Dallas Ft Worth: 2x daily (3x on some days) B777
Raleigh Durham: 1x daily - B777
Easyjet fly from Gatwick to the following destinations using A319's and B737-300's:
Cologne (not yet began)
Other Gatwick ops:
Ryanair fly from Gatwick to Dublin
Germanwings fly from Gatwick to Cologne
Bmi Baby fly from Gatwick to Prague and Cork
Mytravel Lite used to fly from Gatwick to Tenerife but that was packed up almost as soon as it began
FlyBE fly from Gatwick to Jersey, Guernsey and Belfast City.
Air Malta fly from Gatwick to Malta and Catania
Eurocypria and Helios fly to Cyprus from Gatwick
Olympic Aviation fly to Thessaloniki from Gatwick
Air Ukraine fly to Kiev
Lithuanian fly to Vilnius
Adria to Ljubljana
Air Southwest to Newquay and Plymouth
Nationwide to Johannesburg
TravelCityDirect to Sanford, Phoenix, Sharm el Sheikh and more
Aurigny AirServices fly to Guernsey
TAP Air Portugal fly to Lisbon, Faro, Porto and Funchal
Air Luxor to Lisbon
Air Nostrum to Pamplona/Oviedo
Lauda to Innsbruck and Bratislava
Air France regional to Bordeaux, Nantes, Strasbourg and Brest
Braathens fly to Bergen and Oslo
Maersk to Billund and Copenhagen
Air Zimbabwe to Harare
Meridiana to Florence, Catania etc
ASA to Mombasa
Air Gabon to Libreville
Flyjet to various charter destinations
Belavia to Minsk
Pulkovo to St. Petersburg
Transaero to Moscow
L1011aaron From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6447 times:
You can get to more US destinations from Gatwick than you can at Heathrow:
Minneapolis/ St Paul
New York JFK
You can also go to more destinations on British Airways from Gatwick than LHR
BA LGW -
Dar es Sallam
Rio de Janierio
Concluding the queston i think that LGW has better access to more regional and local destinations aswell a better links to Africa.
Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6432 times:
I don't know how old that list is, but i would never use it...
Baltimore - (now LHR)
Boston - (no flights to Boston from LGW, all LHR)
Charlotte - (now LHR)
Denver - (now LHR)
Detroit - (Served from both LHR and LGW)
Houston - (Served from both LHR and LGW)
Miami - no flights to MIA from LGW, just LHR
Minneapolis/ St Paul
New York JFK - All (20+) flights to JFK from LHR
Newark - Served from both LHR and LGW
Philadelphia - Served from both LHR and LGW
Phoenix - Now LHR
San Diego - Changed to LHR/Now stopped
St Louis - Stopped
BA LGW -
Aberdeen - Both LHR and LGW
Abidjan - Now LHR
Abuja - Now LHR
Accra - Now LHR
Almaty - Now LHR
Antwerp - Ceased
Athens - Both LHR and LGW
Baku - Now LHR
Baltimore - Now LHR
Barcelona - Both LHR and LGW
Belgrade - Ceased
Bogota - Now LHR
Bremen - Ceased
Bridgetown - LGW and LHR (in winter)
Bristol - Ceased
Brussels - Ceased/op from LHR
Bucharest - Op by Malev
Beunos Aires - Now LHR
Cancun - Ceased
Caracas - Now LHR
Casablanca - Now LHR
Charlotte - Now LHR
Cologne - Ceased
Cork - Ceased
Dar es Sallam - Now LHR
Denver - Now LHR
Dharan - Ceased
Dublin - Op by Aer Lingus
Dusseldorf - Ceased/op from LHR
Edinburugh - From both LHR and LGW
Eindhoven - Ceased
Entebbe/ Kampala - Now LHR
Florence - Ceased
Frankfurt - Both LHR and LGW
Gdansk - Ceased
Geneva - Both LHR and LGW
Glasgow - Both LHR and LGW
Gothenburg - Ceased
Grand Cayman - Now LHR
Geurnsey - Ceased
Hamburg - Op from LHR
Hanover - Ceased
Harare - Now LHR
Havana - Ceased
Houston - Both LHR and LGW
Lagos - Now LHR
Lilongwe - Now LHR
Lisbon - Now LHR (although i hear returning for the summer/op from both LGW and LHR)
Ljubljana - ceased
Luanda - Now LHR
Lusaka - Now LHR
Luxembourg - Ceased
Madrid - Both LHR and LGW
Mahe - Op from LHR/Ceased
Manchester - Op from both LHR and LGW
Maritius - Now LHR
Miami - Now LHR
Milan - Now LHR
Montego Bay - Ceased
Moscow - Now LHR
Nairobi - Now LHR
Nassau - Now LHR
Newcastle - Both LHR and LGW
Newquay - Ceased
New York - Now LHR
Oslo - Now LHR
Paris CDG - Both LHR and LGW (and LCY)
Phoenix - Now LHR
Plymouth - Ceased
Riga - Ceased
Rio de Janierio - Now LHR
Rome - Both LHR and LGW
Rotterdam - Ceased
St Petersburg - Now LHR
Salzburg - Ceased/Winter charters only
San Diego - Op from LHR/Ceased
San Jose - Ceased
San Juan - Ceased
Santiago - Ceased
Sao Paulo - Now LHR
Shannon - Op by Aer Lingus/Now LHR
Skopjie - Ceased
Sofia - Now LHR
Stockholm - Now LHR
Tangier - Now LHR
Tel Aviv - Now LHR
Trieste - Ceased
Tripoli - Ceased
Vienna - Now LHR
Villinus - Ceased
Zagreb - Ceased
Zurich - Now LHR
Of course, some of the ones i put as "Now LHR" were already operated from out of LHR and some which were "Ceased" may have never even operated for BA. You might wanna check the reliability
Geoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6361 times:
To answer the question about LHR-LGW transfers, you need to enter the country in order to do that transit. Some kind of transit visa I believe. There are direct bus services between the two airports.
Slots from the US to Heathrow are limited by the Bermuda agreement (II?). Basically, only the US/UK airlines that currently serve LHR can serve it, and no more. IE no Continental at LHR for the forseaable future.
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6284 times:
Thanks for all the info, great!
Stephen, thanks for the great list. Interesting to see that BA serves some US cities, especially DFW (and Orlando and Philadelphia) from Gatwick. So So they, as I imagine, loose a lot of traffic from countries like India and Pakistan for these destinations, since it is much more convenient to transfer in other gateways.
Do you guys think that in the long term LGW could be a serious 'competitor' for LHR? Is LGW easier to expand?
Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6211 times:
No, Philadelphia is served from Gatwick through US Airways, British Airways have never flown there from Gatwick. British Airways fly twice daily Heathrow-Philadelphia. US Airways used to fly twice daily between PHL-LGW using an extra B767-200, but unfortunately that wasn't resumed this year.
A lot of passengers coming from Pakistan especially would use Manchester, typically because PIA flies from Karachi/Islamabad to New York/Chicago/Toronto/Houston (on selected days) via Manchester, so they would not really need to connect at all. And US Airways operate a service to Philadephia, AA to Boston and Chicago, DL to Atlanta, CO to Newark, VS to Orlando and BA to New York, Bmi to Washington, Chicago and Toronto, so there is a lot of choice for passengers coming from Pakistan to connect to from here without changing terminal in most cases. (PIA operate into T2 as do US, DL, CO, VS. AA and BA operate from T3 and Bmi from T1).
Also it is thought that Manchester is a lot nicer an airport to transfer through.
As far as i know Mexico City was never served from Gatwick, or if it was it was never served from both airports at the same time with BA. BA used to have a flight to Cancun from Gatwick, but that was packed up with a few more caribbean/central American destinations (Montego Bay and Havana to name a couple).
Jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3630 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6115 times:
Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that BA had hubs at LGW and LHR until 9/11. Then, when as the rumors were floating that they would go under, LGW was closed and they moved everything they could to LHR. I guess that list confirms that assumption.
I have always been under the impression that LGW is the overflow because LHR is slot-restricted. Don't get me wrong, I am sure LHR is important to the region, but I know all of the US airlines would start or move ops to LHR in a second if they could.