Cory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6 Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1967 times:
After learning of Virgin USA's decision to have their base for operations in SFO, giving UA competition at their last hub without a LCC base, does that leave CO and NW as the only carriers without a strong LCC presence at any of their hubs?
AA has AirTran at DFW, WN/ATA at MDW (in competition with ORD), WN at LAX, B6 at JFK, and numerous carriers at FLL (in competition with MIA).
DL has AirTran at both ATL and DFW, with ATL taking a major hit as a result.
UA has F9 at DEN, WN/ATA at MDW, WN at LAX, Independence Air at IAD, and now Virgin USA at SFO.
US has WN at PHL, and PIT is really only a quasi-hub for them by now.
By comparison, there is nothing at DTW and MSP, and CO has IAH and CLE essentially to itself (WN's stations there are very limited). EWR has limited routes from Song, which is apparently dying anyway. B6 at JFK could be considered a threat to EWR, but EWR has its own population base from much of NJ.
Cory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1853 times:
Good point. I didn't even think of CVG - it seems to be more of an RJ hub, so I think more of ATL and SLC as DL's true hubs. I see CLE for CO as being similar to CVG - almost all RJ's while EWR and IAH have the major routes.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12019 posts, RR: 50 Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1840 times:
Cory6188 good thread, and I agree CO has done a good job with CLE and use there equipment to its best, meaning the RJ's tho we do have a slew of mainline as well. WN has a decent amount of flights tho no real expansion or additions in a long time. Also CLE is a BIG charter market to the Caribbean, Mexico and LAS.
Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4308 posts, RR: 23 Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1712 times:
DL cut back in CVG? Probably the most successful hub in the system (its nearly all connecting traffic for a city not much bigger than Toledo), why would you suggest such a thing? Sure it may not be Fort Widget (ATL)...but has definitely defended itself against any LCC attack (AirTran and Vanguard).
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
Elwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1506 times:
Don't forget that CLE is complaining about FL's presence at CAK. While not large, FL is definetely cutting into CO's profits there, particularly with the CAK-LGA route, which hurts CO's ability to ratchet-up the fares on CLE-New York.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12019 posts, RR: 50 Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1486 times:
Good point Elwood64151 - Tho I believe it is CVG that is the hub with no LCC's and one that I do not see changing anytime soon. DL has lost market share to FL in ATL, they are not going to let in happen in CVG really the last fortress hub left if you think about it.
Skibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1489 times:
How in the world can you say that CVG will probably see a lot of cuts in the next few years, to a point that it will not be such a hub. I see the complete opposite. As DL goes forward with re-evaluating its entire business model, I would not be surprised to see them start to shift some of the ATL traffic to CVG. Think about it. DL in ATL is getting hit hard by AirTran, and as a result they are not getting as high of yields as they are out of CVG. Also, there are some operational drawbacks to keeping such a mega-hub, like ATL. Look at every time ATL gets some weather, it basically impacts the entire DL system. This happens more often than you would think and adds undue OPEX. By spreading more flights to differing hubs you can minimize weather impacts to the entire system. As a result of these two points I think you may start to see additional traffic out of CVG, probably East-West traffic and more international, while ATL maintains most of the North-South traffic, as well as international.