Londoncenter From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7130 times:
I just found out that flight VS076 between MCO and MAN scheduled for arrival at MAN yesterday at 0725 is actually only estimated to arrive at 2100 TONIGHT!!! Has anybody any idea the reasons behind this or what may cause such large delays?
Has anybody ever had a longer delay? This one departed a whopping 38hrs late!!!
Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7028 times:
The aircraft was diverted on arrival to MCO to Tampa, due to bad weather in the central Florida area. What happened from there is unknown as the weather was suitable for flying soon after. It is believed that the crew timed out at TPA and so they had to wait the minimum crew rest time of 12hrs before flying the aircraft to MCO, and i believe they couldn't fly it there until the afternoon due to slots and gate usage.
FLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7010 times:
I'd say it's about time we saw the back of the VS 747-200 at MAN now (in fact, is it just G-VBEE, or is there another one?) Give us an A340-600!
I flew from T2 a few times last year, and there were two VS 747-200s there, one at the gate and one on a remote stand. I thought they only had one based at MAN. As I understand, G-VBEE is an ex-Air New Zealand aircraft and was owned by Virgin for a short time before being sold and leased back from Air Atlanta (with at TF- registration), and now has been re-registered G-VBEE but is still operated by Air Atlanta flight crew. Is this correct?
Also, if G-VBEE is the only aircraft VS have based at MAN and it has a massive delay, what happens to the following flight? As far as I knew, it comes in at 0725 then leaves about 3hrs later on another MCO round trip. A 38 hour delay with one highly-used aircraft is a hell of a backlog to catch up. Once, one of my work colleagues and her family were stuck at MCO and were told they would be put in hotels due to their VS flight breaking down in Manchester, but the delay was eventually only(!) 6 hours as the flight was operated by another 747-200 of Air Atlanta. Is this normal procedure, or will there come a point where VS just has to cancel the flight completely? And if so, do some passengers get shuttled to LHR or LGW and put on another Virgin flight?
Londoncenter From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6876 times:
I was at MAN last week and there was a 2nd 742 parked at a remote stand outside T2. From what I've been told by family in the area it is an almost permanent fixture at the airport. Does anyone know what this aircraft is for? Is there any chance it is backup for maintenance checks and unforeseen events as above?
SevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6834 times:
Planesarecool is correct. The aircraft diverted to TPA on the outbound leg due to heavy thunderstorm activity in the Orlando area. The crew subsequently went out of hours which accounts for the rest of the delay.
I know a lot of people will disagree but I would rather fly to MCO on one of the B742's than the B744's that normally operate from LGW to MCO. They are certainly not tatty as was stated above and have far superior IFE and seat comfort (with the possible exception of Premium economy) Than the LGW based B744's.
In terms of reliability I am pretty sure the dispatch reliability is not far off that of the A346 fleet, which also have their share of problems.
To answer another question there are two B742's based at MAN. G-VBEE and G-VSSS. There is only 6 flights a week to MCO so one is always a spare. They were both recently re-registered back to their original VS registrations after a spell of being known as TF-ATW, and TF-ATN. I believe this is because they are now registered under air atlanta's european outfit, and thay are still technically leased by VS.
FutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6660 times:
With the WX we had here in MCO yesterday the a/c diverted to TPA for fuel and before the plane could depart the crew "pumpkined" out. So to make sure the rest is there they had cancelled the flight. Actually tho what could have happened the outbound crew could have picked up the a/c in TPA and ferried it to MCO. And the delay would not have been as bad as a 37 hour delay.
MEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6654 times:
I am very surprised at the amount of flight from Great Britain to Cental Florida!
Off the top of my head I can count about 25 weekly flights between Orlando and London/Manchester. I can remember last Sunday at MCO there were 4 VS tails and 1 BA tail all at the north terminal.
Even more, the flights are all operated by large aircraft, 777/744/742. How are the load factors on these flights? Are these flight mostly carrying British passengers? Or do these flight cater to the rest of Europe that comes to the attractions in Central Florida?
Eastbay From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 211 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6482 times:
I don't know if this factored into the crew timing out, but I was in Tampa when the aircraft was there; while we taxied out for departure the VS 747-200 was repositioning from a remote stand and the pilots were calling for medical assistance on the ground control frequency, seemed a couple of passengers had become quite ill. This was around 7:15 pm, friday.
MontanaFL From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6450 times:
On Friday, 4 June, the VS 747 flew overhead approx 4:50 pm EST. On Saturday, 5 June, I drove past TPA approx 3:15 pm EST. The A/C was sitting on the cargo ramp north of the main terminal. If the crew was doing an overnight in TPA, wouldn't they get up the following am and fly to MCO or were they bused to MCO to await their A/C for their return trip. Now it is Sunday and I have no clue of the A/C is still in TPA or possibly airborne on its return flight home.
I will say this, would love to see VS flying into TPA with either the 747 or an Airbus 340.
Swatpamike From United States of America, joined May 2004, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6243 times:
I noticed the 747 by cargo about 11a.m. Saturday. When I asked about it ASIG (support) sups said that it had to sit on the ramp for 2 hours before customs could get set up to deplane the passengers. A couple of passengers did become ill but nothing to bad. It was gone when I left work at 6p.m.
Daedalus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5582 times:
I work at ASIG at TPA and had the 'honor' of ground handling the VS 747. When she arrived we had to park her at the cargo ramp because our only wide body US Customs gate was occupied by a BA 777 (G-VIIO). The flight crew had waited till we had fueled their aircraft to decide that they had timed out. Most diverted international flights give us their time limits but I guess these guys weren't too eager to leave. They sat out at the cargo ramp for over an hour till BA pushed back. After getting parked and going through Customs, all 402 pax were bussed to Orlando only after being stuck in TPA for 4 hours. As far as the medical emergency, no one knew the details of the incident since Customs hadn't cleared the aircraft yet. One final note, I noticed by the forward cabin door that the aircraft was operated by Air Atlanta. That would explain the shoddy paintover of the nose gear door registration.
Airchabum From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 769 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4751 times:
I don't have the full story but one of the contributing factors to the crew having to call it a day in TPA was that they were already 2hrs late having had technical problems before departure in MAN.
It was decided to just delay one lot of returning pax, so Saturday's VS76 pax came back as planned but Friday's lot were delayed until Sunday, hence the large delay. The theory is that this way you only p!ss one lot of pax off! I don't think those ones that had been delayed for 38hrs would see it that way though!!
Geoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4333 times:
"Get a new 744 or an A346 Virgin!!!" - yeah, just nip down to Tesco's, wave the Clubcard at them to get yer loyalty points (should get a few there), then everybody's happy!
I guess the reason why the outbound crew couldn't ferry it from Tampa *and* do the return flight back to the UK was again because of hours. Call it a couple of hours on the ground at Tampa, plus flight time (1/2 hour?), refuel, load, paperwork, 9 hour flight back, maybe too long for one crew.
Demoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4273 times:
Virgin will be using a 747-400 on additional saturday MAN flights to MCO. I can't remember when this is supposed to start though. I hope MAN finally see's the back of the -200's and VS replace it with a -400 or A340 permanently.
Whats the whole story behind the "operated by Air Atlanta" thing? Did they take on some of the old VS crew? Why can't it just be operated by Virgin Atlantic completely with their own aircraft?
Jamotcx From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2667 times:
I hope MAN finally see's the back of the -200's and VS replace it with a -400 or A340 permanently.
The original service was launched with an A340-300 in 1999 or 1998. My mind if blank for the next couple of years but i remember it beinga summer only service for a year or 2 and I also remember VS upgraded it to a 742. But the VS got rid of the 742's. Maybe they offloaded them to Air Atlanta cheaply if Air Atlanta kept on the service?
Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2601 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2634 times:
Virgin's MAN-MCO started May 1996 with an A340.
At fairly short notice the route was switched to a Martinair 767-300 in September 1996, as Virgin had been awarded rights to serve South Africa and the Manchester A340 was required for those flights. The route continued over the winter 1996/7 season with the Martinair aircraft.
From May 1997 the route has operated summer-only with Virgin 747-200s, and more recently Air Atlanta/Virgin aircraft...
Last winter has been the first time the route has been year-round since 1996.