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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Tomorrow Monday VW will start:
PBC-VSA-PAZ

Next July 1st VW will start:
GDL-VER

Next November VW will start:
MLM-GDL-SJD

And in the next months they intend to open:
NLD and PVR.

They wanted to fly PAZ-CME (a famous 'puente aereo' for PEMEX) but it's already flown by Aero Davinci with MetroIII.

Next June 7th the MTY-PBC-MEx-PBC-MTY will now be flown MTY-PBC-MTY.

*PBC - Puebla
*VSA - Villahermosa
*VER - Veracruz
*MLM - Morelia
*SJD - Los Cabos
*NLD - Nuevo Laredo
*PAZ - Poza Rica

Ricardo




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7584 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

For everybody's information, CME is the code for Ciudad del Carmen's airport.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineWolkenridder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

WOW!!! Guadalajara-Veracruz sounds really interesting, two very important business cities in Mexico still without any direct link until now!

Great idea for VW, for sure a success!


User currently offlineLeoDF From Mexico, joined Aug 1999, 359 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Yep, no doubt it's one of the strongest regional airlines in Mexico. Their new routes seem logical! They should be upgraded to national airline!

A. De Leo
"PiloT"



Lloyd Aereo Boliviano
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Welkenrider, absolutely right, first link from GDL-VER amaaazing!

Agree with Leo, AeroMar should now be upgraded to 'national', now the only thing they are missing are those regional jets! If Aerolitoral enters MEx I don't know for how long VW will be able to compete with 5D!

Just as an extra info TAO its getting 5 more ATRs.

Ricardo




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

Good news from VW.
The PEMEX puente aereo was served time ago from CME-TAM with QA, but again, lack of passengers, so the flight got cancelled.
Aerodavinci started in REX (Reynosa), they fly REX-CME-VER (against 5D on those routes).
But recently they cancelled ops in TAM.



Life is what happens when you have other plans.....
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

N405MX,

According to AeroDavinci's timetable from May 2004 they still fly to TAM. Routing REX-TAM-VER-CME and TAM-VER-VSA. Recently, you mean June 04?!

Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

I have some recent info of what's going on with VW. Just wanted to let you know that AeroMar is finally getting jets pretty soon! I can't say more for now! Perhaps someone else already knows something. But at least I can't reveal more info! Later when possible I'll do!

Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

Good but predictable news....

A little research and study of VW's organization reveal the following known facts which narrows down the list to ERJs, CRJs, Do-328JET, F100/F70 and 717 (the last three with lesser chances over the highly specialized Regional Jets):

Route system (lenght, characteristics).
Performance specs out of Mexico City.
Performance specs out of system's airports (short, often poorly prepared fields).
Average occupancy.
Market tendency.
VW's financial situation.

About when they will get them, that is indeed a more complicated question. Hopefully soon in order to minimize the loss of traffic on those routes that Aerolitoral and other feeders (both domestic and International) are gaining. Surely not in the short term (not before two months) as crew, dispatch and and maintenance training takes some time (unless they are currently being given). Interesting is to mention that VW recently applied admission tests for new pilots, which leads to think they are already working on training matters for the new type of aircraft.

Who knows?
RM  Smile



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User currently offlineSaab77 From Mexico, joined Jun 2004, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Just wanted to let you know that AeroMar is finally getting jets pretty soon!

I hope so. I also heard that Aeromar was considering the ERJ 170 and that it was in advanced talks with Embraer


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7584 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2378 times:

It would be awesome to see ERJ-170's in VW colors. I hope they go for the Embraers.

By the way, is there any chance that we will ever see ERJ-190's in the fleet of a Mexican carrier? Is the 190 suited for the hot&high conditions of most Mexican airports?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Ok I'll give a little more clues. In fact there are high possibilities of getting 2 different types.

About when they will get them, that is indeed a more complicated question.

The one that is already confirmed will be in service in 2/3 months. The other type not confirmed could get here in the last months of the year... Nov/Dec. Precisely this last aircraft type is the one that VW still is in talks with the manufacturer.

Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7584 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2261 times:

Damn teaser!!! Just kidding.

Hopefully it is Embraers. By the way, Ghost and others, please let us know more info as you receive it (or become allowed to disclose it).



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2213 times:

Hopefully it is Embraers. By the way, Ghost and others, please let us know more info as you receive it (or become allowed to disclose it).

Time to disclose the information....

2 ex. Mexicana Fokkers 100 are due for AeroMar. CINTRA's administration counsel has approved this movement.

They'll use it on routes with VW-MX/AM codeshare.

Which are: ZLO, ZIH, ZCL, CPE, DGO. Perhaps Im missing more cities just add them!

Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2211 times:



While it's good to see VW adding more capacity and operating a jet, it's somewhat disappointing to see them flying a F100.

I was expecting something newer (Embraer or Canadair).

Don't you think it's too big a jump in capacity from their ATR 42's to A Fokker 100?


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

I don't think F100's are a good idea. It's a complete departure from VWs bussiness plan. As of today they've operated a single type fleet of ATRs, owned and bought directly from the manufacturer. This whole F100 idea makes them look as Cintra's dump.

User currently offlineA320319318 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Isn't it a coincidence that Mr Emilio Romano (mx Ceo) was on the board of VW. And now they are getting MX'S ex F100's?.........is Cintra going to absorb Aeromar or maybe AeroCaribe and Aeromar will merge?...that would be formidable competition for AeroLitoral.

User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

<< I don't think F100's are a good idea. It's a complete departure from VWs bussiness plan. As of today they've operated a single type fleet of ATRs, owned and bought directly from the manufacturer. This whole F100 idea makes them look as Cintra's dump. >>: AM744

I agree with the "CINTRA's dump" perception, albeit adding jets to 6A for the time being will also have possitive marketing and psychological effects, which will be an upside.

It is necessary to consider 6A hasn't placed any firm orders with neither Canadair nor Embraer. Neither maker has got spareaircrafts ready to deliver.
As per a recent issue AvionRevue magazine, Embraer has got a considerable que of orders for its E170 and E190 models. This means that it would take a while even to start building the new aircrafts for A6 when these were finally ordered... - which makes the F100 option even more feasible as a temporary solution.

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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

While it's good to see VW adding more capacity and operating a jet, it's somewhat disappointing to see them flying a F100.

All routes who'll be flown with F100 from VW are routes with MX or AM codeshare. MX and AM fill almost all their planes on those routes. In my parent's travel agency let me tell you that you can't imagine how many people complain of AeroMar's loud and slow planes and Terminal II and all the bus rides from West side to East and East to West at MEx... this is not very comfortable to FF pax. Add to that the new routes... like GDL-VER in ATR42 its insane!!!

More over VW got a lot of charter flights. Two weeks ago they had to fly 900pax from MEx to CTM and TGZ! Just imagine moving 900 pax with ATRs with 48 pax capacity.

I was expecting something newer (Embraer or Canadair).

VW is in talks with EMB for 135/145/170.

Don't you think it's too big a jump in capacity from their ATR 42's to A Fokker 100?

Nope I don't think so. They are jumping from 50pax in their ATR's to 100 in the F100... Surinam Airways jumped from 150pax (M80) to a 400pax aircraft (B743...)!!!

This whole F100 idea makes them look as Cintra's dump.

AeroMar has always been in CINTRA's monopoly team. The 80% CINTRA control of the market number has always included AeroMar. VW since the beginning has had VERY close relation with MX/AM/QA for years! Pilots also belong to ASPA. This is nothing new...

Isn't it a coincidence that Mr Emilio Romano (mx Ceo) was on the board of VW. And now they are getting MX'S ex F100's?.........is Cintra going to absorb Aeromar or maybe AeroCaribe and Aeromar will merge?...

Wow Romano flying in VW! That's new. I've been told that it's flying a lot in MX flights and checking everything goes well but didn't knew about him flying in VW. Perhaps routes with MX codeshare.

I don't think CINTRA got plans to get VW. Perhaps MX intends to get QA and VW. Indeed things are strange! Now we will have QA and VW with F100s.

Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

>They are jumping from 50pax in their ATR's to 100 in the F100... Surinam Airways jumped from 150pax (M80) to a 400pax aircraft (B743...)!!! <

Yes, but are they using their 747 on the same routes where they were using their MD-80?

>All routes who'll be flown with F100 from VW are routes with MX or AM codeshare. MX and AM fill almost all their planes on those routes<

I thought the routes codeshared by AM and MX on Aeromar metal were flown with Aeromar metal precisely because they had enough traffic for an ATR, but too little traffic for one of their mainline aircraft.

Or are these VW F-100 going to be used on all-new routes?


User currently offlineAr385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6218 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2087 times:
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Given the size of Mexico, it was high time AeroMar got jets. Maybe the F-100 is a questionable choice, but at least it is a relatively new plane and it is cheap. There is also the knowhow already in place for maintenance and for pilot training. I don´t understand why Ghost mentions passengers complain about flying in the ATR-42. It´s a nice, exciting ride. You get to actually feel the lateral acceleration when the crew is using the rudder, a sensation that is almost non-existent these days. If it weren´t for the flight-time, I would prefer and ATR-42 over a regional jet anytime.

User currently offlineAM772 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Just a question:
MX operates 10 F100, while QA operate 9 DC-9's, so, with 2 less F100's for VW, we have 8 remaining. Aerocaribe would have to operate both DC-9 and F100 or let MX to take some of their routes.

I agree that getting F100's is a vary bad idea... MX is taking them out for obvious reasons, they are presenting some problems and that would make VW to get a bad image... I'd go for the B717, if the problem is that there are not ERJ's or Canadaairs' aivable.

Regards

AM772


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

Yes, but are they using their 747 on the same routes where they were using their MD-80?

Nope but still is a good example of how other airlines increase their offer. Indeed Surinam's movement I consider it very aggressive!

I thought the routes codeshared by AM and MX on Aeromar metal were flown with Aeromar metal precisely because they had enough traffic for an ATR, but too little traffic for one of their mainline aircraft.

Ironically all those routes flown by VW go always full out of MX), Mexico">MEX with 50pax (usually from Thur to Sunday)... so maybe VW along with MX and AM are considering that it is time for VW to increase the offer. More over looks like a deal for 3 EMB170 is about to be closed.

AeroMar is finally growing! For 15 years they only grew their fleet to 13 aircraft. Now 2 ATR's -500 are on their way to MX), Mexico">MEX....

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2 ex. MX F100 and possible 3 new EMB170 at the end of the year and probably more planes in the future! I think this are excellent news!

I don´t understand why Ghost mentions passengers complain about flying in the ATR-42. It´s a nice, exciting ride. You get to actually feel the lateral acceleration when the crew is using the rudder, a sensation that is almost non-existent these days. If it weren't for the flight-time, I would prefer and ATR-42 over a regional jet anytime.

What most pax say... its noisy, the looong flight-time and going from Terminal I to Terminal II @ MX), Mexico">MEX in a 15-20 min bus ride and viceversa.

MX operates 10 F100, while QA operate 9 DC-9's, so, with 2 less F100's for VW, we have 8 remaining. Aerocaribe would have to operate both DC-9 and F100 or let MX to take some of their routes.

So far I've heard from the last rumors that from the current 10 MX F100s, looks like the last two PH-registered will be returned. All other XA-s which are 8, will stay in VW and QA. 2 will go to VW and other 6 to AeroCaribe. QA currently flies 9 Dc9s. So airline will be resized to 6 jets and MX will take some routes. More over the Puentes Aereos made once with Cessna Caravan 208 and Fokker 27 flown by AeroCaribe, linking MID-CZM-CUN-CTM-etc, since this past week AeroLitoral's has took complete control and they've been flying those routes with 340 with 5D crews, metal and titles but all flights are from AeroCaribe. CINTRA is totally doing a mess and a lot of changes with AeroCaribe, Mexicana, AeroMar, AeroMexpress, Aerolitoral and AeroMexico.

Ricardo APM




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User currently offlineHenpol747 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 588 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

I really hope VW´s airfares were cheaper!!


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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

I don´t understand why Ghost mentions passengers complain about flying in the ATR-42. It´s a nice, exciting ride. You get to actually feel the lateral acceleration when the crew is using the rudder, a sensation that is almost non-existent these days. If it weren't for the flight-time, I would prefer and ATR-42 over a regional jet anytime.

Just try flying the ATR on a hot day (30°C or more) and you will be riding on, what can be called, an Air Sauna. The steam bath you will get will make you take off your shirt after landing and squeeze it... the same applies to cold weathers, were you will fill like if you were in the north pole!! I have flown the ATR's and ERJ's many times from BRO-IAH-BRO and CLE-CMH-CLE and believe me, the ERJ's are 100 years ahead...


User currently offlineMtyfreak From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 377 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

I`m sure that the ATR`s are not the best but hey, it could be worst, it could be like the METROS that aerolitoral used to fly, I didn`t even fit on those and it was so noisy that I had to wear ear plugs.



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