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Delta: Hong Kong-Atlanta Nonstop?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8846 times:

A few years back I remember someone told me that Delta was interested in flying HONG KONG- ATLANTA nonstop with their B 777-200ER. What's up with the plan now????

It would be cool. First of all, I think Delta is a good airline with quality service. Secondly, USA and HONG KONG reached open-skies agreement back in 2001.

Any chance? Maybe not now but later????

Hope DL can solve their financial difficulties soon.

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User currently offlineUALongHaul From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8815 times:

I would say NO.

Deltas total lack of presence in Asia is nausiating, but I really do not expect them to start flying anywhere else in Asia anytime soon. Currently they do not have the equipment to operate a HKG nonstop on a 777. They certainly do not have the cash right now to aquire a few more planes to service this route, let alone pay for applying to carriage, staffing a new city, etc.

I would not wait for the flight to start anytime soon.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8789 times:

Delta flies to Japan right?

Hope they will return to HKG one day.

Yeah definitely not now coz they are running out of cash.


User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8790 times:

It is interesting that one of the routes that Boeing talked about as being possible with the 777-200LR was ATL-HKG. When Delta recovers, which it will (though possibly with a Chapter 11 filing), I would expect to see them order more 777's including the -200LR. Once they were to have those planes, I would expect to see a HKG route start.

User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8776 times:

wouldn't it be so much more economical to send DL passengers via MSP on NW codeshare? NW has all the marketshare of the "trinity" (DL, CO, NW) in Asia anyway, and has all the operational effeciencies of a large operation within Asia.


my two cents

FA4UA



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User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8697 times:

Unfortunately given Delta's tragically poor financial position this is unlikely to occur any time soon. That said, it would be nice if some day Delta would increase their presence in Asia and perhaps add ATL-HKG. That could be a very interesting route...

Delta did try to make a go out of Asia from PDX but unfortunately that was a flop...

Right now the only US carriers with a substantial presence in Asia are of course United, Northwest and Continental, and I think it's likely to remain this way for some time to come...

-WGW2707


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8655 times:

Not right now, as Delta's economics are perilous.

However, Delta and ATL fans should note that their airline and airport still have great international routes that other cities don't have.

My family is going from DFW to Barcelona this July...and guess where they will be connecting thru? You guessed it!! Terminal E in ATL!!

Of course, to get there to ATL we will have to fly a domestic flight from DFW...which of course, does not have a direct flight to Amsterdam, Munich, Rome, Manchester, Brussels, Athens, Barcelona or Madrid.

Damn, I told my fellow DFW'ers that I would be more positive!!
Sorry, old habits die hard!! LOL!!



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User currently offlineBritishmidland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8608 times:

Don't look for Delta to begin starting up more Asian flights when they are in the business of trimming them down. They have decreased their presence at PDX, reduced flights to Japan, and haven't been too keen on expanding their Pacific routes at all.

User currently offlineBluewhite From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2001, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8595 times:

As a plane spotter, I would love to see Delta back in HKG with its own aircraft.

But, you would need to analyze whether the economics weigh up. Just off the top of my head - what is the potential demand for a direct HKG-ATL flight with ATL as a destination?
How convenient is it for people to transit through Delta's ATL hub, if they are going to go elsewhere in the Americas ?
What other options are there for that transit traffic in the Americas - LAX/SFO/SEA etc..?
What other options are there elsewhere for that transit traffic - NRT/ICN/TPE/YVR/YYZ...?
How much would Delta need to spend to establish themselves in this marketplace for marketing, and what would they need to do to differentiate themselves from their established competitors? If it's cost, (and it usually is) then they can ill afford to.

My guess is that I will have to go elsewhere to see their aircraft, and not in HKG, at least for a few years!

BW


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8489 times:

Yeah do you guys think there is a market?

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23004 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8312 times:

Just thinking about the geography, ATL doesn't seem like a great place to transfer unless you are going to Florida or the Caribbean (and I doubt that there is that much Caribbean-HKG traffic). Even somewhere like ORD (which is only ~600 miles from ATL) is much better located to catch a lot of transfer traffic, and obviously flying to the west coast is even more logical. I doubt that there is enough ATL-HKG O&D to sustain a flight.


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User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8282 times:
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DL is more likely, when it's financial situation turns for the better, to seek to expand to Vietnam and Korea. The population base in Atlanta offers the potential for successful routes to these areas. Hong Kong will always be a business destination, so perhaps the flight to Vietnam would stop in HK?


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3483 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7975 times:

Cubsrule,

ATL is one of the best places for a hub in the country. People travelling from anywhere on the East Coast wouldn't have a problem connecting in ATL to Asia. Most people just don't want to go out of their way, which they wouldn't be. ATL-HKG could definitely be sustained simply due to the sheer size of DL's ATL megahub. Don't look for DL to expand anywhere in Asia anytime soon though. Unless the MD-11s were brought back, they would lack the equipment. ATL-ICN service (which is already operated by KE) would be the only possible expansion for DL in Asia in the near future, or possibly additional ATL-NRT flights cause the load factor is close to 90%.

Jeremy


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7931 times:

People travelling from anywhere on the East Coast wouldn't have a problem connecting in ATL to Asia

I fully disagree. Atlanta is out of the way for most of the East Coast, especially when EWR and ORD have good HKG connections.

However, I agree that the connecting power of the DL hub is sufficient to sustain the flight.

HKG is well out of the range of the 772ER.

N


User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7630 times:

As mentioned, ATL is a great hub and there is considerable traffic that would offer Delta plenty of feed for a HKG flight if it had the aircraft. However, if I lived in the NYC or Boston area, I would not want to connect through ATL to go to HKG when you could fly nonstop from EWR, ORD, or JFK (when CX starts the service). Well, let me correct that...most people would not want to...I would be the one who would do that!  Big grin

On the last point, when NW had a special to HKG a few years back, I was the one member of my family who was willing to accept a routing of DSM-MSP-DTW-SEA-ANC-NRT-HKG. They limited you to mainline flights under the deal and we get few mainline flights anymore in DSM.

Also, hope to see you back soon Concordeboy.


User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7548 times:

As an aside, in 1979 Delta printed a special "magazine" to celebrate their 50th anniversary. Among the contents was an article about what it would be like to fly Delta in 2029, and the story focused on a Delta nonstop flight from Atlanta to Sydney, Australia.

User currently offline777d From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7547 times:

Perhaps once Delta steps onto solid financial ground they will consider the non-stop to HKG. I am curious, do they code-share currently with either Continental or NW to HKG? Does NW fly non-stop to HKG? I believe their flights stopover in NRT.



User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7526 times:
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DL also put off buying the rest of the 772ER's it had on order due to the financial crisis....we'll see what they do when they get out of trouble.. I know they would like to add 777 aircraft on several routes, we will see if they figure out how to run two different engine types on the 777's economically.


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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7487 times:

ATL is great as a FL hub (as is shown by the multiple 767s going from ATL-Florida) and a Europe connection point, but as a hub for the rest of the country, it's pretty out of the way. DFW, CVG, and SLC are better suited as connection cities for domestic flights.

User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7449 times:

777d,
I am not sure about the codeshares, but NW only operates one flight to HKG a day and it is via Tokyo. In the past, they operated two flights a day to the US (one via NRT and one via SEL), then they operated 742s nonstop from SEA and later 744s nonstop from MSP, but they are only doing the one through Tokyo now.


User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6911 times:

Cory: do you mean FLorida or FL (AirTran)? I think both.

Among the contents was an article about what it would be like to fly Delta in 2029, and the story focused on a Delta nonstop flight from Atlanta to Sydney, Australia.
I can see it now:
January 1 2029, top story: Hundreds of old people riot outside Delta ticket counters..the leader, Jimmy Smith, had this to say "The book promised us a flight to Sydney!"

Seriously, I don't know why DL doesn't even try to do ATL-NRT-Hong Kong/Seoul. Espically in Seoul's case, they fly to all of their other partners destinations!


User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6521 times:

As much as anyone in Delta would love to start opening the grasp in Asia again, its unlikely to take a venture like that at this point. In an effort to cut costs(and a mistake IMO), they have already sold some 777's they were scheduled to take delivery of in 2005. Once the finances are done with and everything set in order, maybe a direct HKG flight might be in the works, but one has to look at the long term viability of the concept. Is there enough people transferring through ICN on KE codeshares to make it work? Are there enough people booked on NW codeshares that would prefer an ATL nonstop? And most importantly, can Boeing give Delta a sweet deal on 777LR's?(not likely)

Delta would prefer a nonstop with its own equipment, because although there is a codeshare, we are still competitors with NW and CO, just competitors "with benefits."


User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6405 times:

I remember DL wanted to do Beijing from JFK and CVG a while back when 10 slots opened up, UAL got the contract with Polar Cargo. DL's presence in Asia is terrible, just Tokyo....thats it, to me it makes no sense for them flying there period.




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User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6308 times:

I don't think there will be demand to ATL???
BUt I think another east coast city such as BOS might be good?? (lots of Chinese there!!!).



User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6149 times:

I remember DL wanted to do Beijing from JFK and CVG a while back when 10 slots opened up, UAL got the contract with Polar Cargo.

5X, NW, UA, and FX also got slots. 5X was a new entrant.

DL had a strong case.

N


25 B4real : I agree generally with what has been said. Effectively, a good idea, but not now. Codesharing is definitely their growth model in Asia, as well as man
26 Smcmac32msn : ATL doesn't seem like a great place to transfer DL also has SLC as a psuedo-hub and that might be a better option for a n/s to HKG. Wouldn't be half a
27 UALongHaul : SLC to HKG? Are you kidding me? If any western city will get HKG service in the future it will be UA out of DEN. This will never happen becasue UA has
28 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Delta came VERY close to ordering five to seven 772LRs in 2001 for the purpose of operating ATL-HKG/DXB nonstop. Multiple engine operation would have
29 N757KW : Just to let some of you know, the KE flight to ICN from ATL runs regularly at its capacity. The flight is pax and cargo limited due to distance and en
30 ConcordeBoy : I am curious, do they code-share currently with either Continental or NW to HKG? Does NW fly non-stop to HKG? Sadly, no to both
31 United Airline : So will they EVER start HKG-ATL???
32 Smcmac32msn : So will they EVER start HKG-ATL??? Doubt it. Why would SLC be soooooo bad towards DL doing a HKG route once their financial situation improves. I'm su
33 ConcordeBoy : Why would SLC be soooooo bad towards DL doing a HKG route Because each flight might have 1 O&D pax on it maybe...?
34 Post contains images BCAInfoSys : LOL.. I'm with ConcordeBoy on this one. SLC is great and all.. but the only passengers going from SLC to HKG would be the occasional mormon missionary
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