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First News: AWA Order For 60 Airbus's And 18 757's  
User currently offlineCactusHP From United States of America, joined May 2004, 348 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12633 times:


This is a rumor:

There might be a huge order for 60 Airbus's and 18 757's.

I have no details, just that.

But this would support the expansion process for AWA.

And no, I'm not making this up.

Comments, thoughts?


Sorry, I was on the landline
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User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12530 times:

Where are the 757s coming from? Boeing going to open up the line if they are brand new?

User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12524 times:

I'm missing just one HP 757 to complete their fleet and now I will miss 19. Something new to look out for.

If its true...

Rafal


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12504 times:

I am assuming the order for 757s will be from lessors.

N


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12504 times:

Isn't the 757 line gearing down already?


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12485 times:

It takes 9 to 12 months to procure parts for a 757. The 757s will already be in existence.

Sounds like the National fleet to me.

N


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12363 times:

I think I mentioned the five-sevens in a different thread a couple of weeks back. The number 18 seems a little high but 6 or 8 additional used five-sevens is what my HP deep throat told me. That should happen this year.
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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2988 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12309 times:

It's safe to say that they wouldn't be new 757s, but right now is probably a pretty good time to pick up some used ones, so that's not such a crazy idea. Resale values and lease rates for a particular aircraft type generally decrease substantially when production of that type winds down, so that may very well be happening with the 757.


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12065 times:

The only conceivable reason to delay closure of the 757 line is if HP desires 757-300s. I don't believe there are any parked and they aren't scheduled to make any more. Boeing extended the MD-83 line beyond the original closure date when they received a late order from TWA for 23 aircraft in 97 or 98. I suppose 18 757-300s is as good as 23 MD-83s?

User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12023 times:

is what my HP deep throat told me.

Ewww...

Sounds like the National fleet to me.

Since Chris Kilroy hasn't updated his fleet census, where are the National 757's parked, and how many are there? What type of engines are on them?



670


User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2463 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11922 times:

Yes, I've both a thought and a comment. How about NOT posting something that's only a rumor when you don't even cite a source? Without giving us one, for all we know, you very well could be making it up. Now tell us what you're basing this thread on if you want it to have any credibility. Sorry to be blunt but without quoting any foundation for your thread, how the heck do you expect us to take it seriously, even if it's only about a rumor? Thank you.  Yeah sure

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11920 times:

According to Airfleets.com only four or five of the former National 757-200 remain parked at Marana. I believe 5 of the 18 aircraft in the National fleet when ops were discontinued are in China being converted to freighters.

User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11835 times:

Can you clarify something for me?

This is a rumor:

And no, I'm not making this up.


A rumor is something that is not true. But if you are not making it up, then it is not a rumor. Care to explain?

FB05



Never Trust Your Fuel Gauge
User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11806 times:

Some are with Pace...RB211s.

Travis


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2895 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11713 times:

N670UW:

I got bitched out last week by Chris Kilroy over on Airdisaster.com for having the gall to complain that he hasn't updated his list in 18 months. He says that I have no right to complain since I never offered to help. So I sent him an update of about 20 scrappings that he didn't have updated... he's been quiet since.

He claims that there is a major update coming soon, with 10 volunteers working on it. I think it would have been easier just to start a new list....



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User currently offlineCactusHP From United States of America, joined May 2004, 348 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11561 times:

We may be on different sides here but a rumor is something that could be true but could not be proven.

Now....................Back on topic.

It's probaly pretty unlikely that HP will get 757-300 since they don't have any currently in their fleet and they only have the 757-200.

Oh yea,
BTW

The source is a pilot from AMERICA WEST. Don't know his phone number, address, etc. etc.



Sorry, I was on the landline
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11468 times:

The only conceivable reason to delay closure of the 757 line is if HP desires 757-300s.

It can't and won't happen.


A rumor is something that is not true.


What? A rumor is something you've heard that hasn't been confirmed. Rumors frequently are true or turn out to be true.

N


User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11370 times:

Somebody earlier asked about the old National 757's. They seem to be in good condition based on pictures from MHV (Mojave, CA).


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EDIT: Here is the post I was referring to:
Since Chris Kilroy hasn't updated his fleet census, where are the National 757's parked, and how many are there? What type of engines are on them?

[Edited 2004-06-09 02:19:31]


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User currently offlineSunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 775 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10420 times:

Two of the National 757s (N506NA and N517NA) are flying for Avianca Colombia. I flew on N506NA a few days back.

Sunil


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10296 times:

About time. There were lots of rumors a few months ago and nothing happened. This might mean that HP's new transcon routes were a success and perhaps they will start more of them with these new planes.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10218 times:

Well, is that something else about HP fleet and will even make on orders with new B757-200 or 300.

User currently offlineDbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 880 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10212 times:

How many more Airbuses are the still waiting for on their current order? 78 more aircraft is a huge increase in their fleet, where else could they expand to. Could we see alot more international service from them...and maybe, possibly some overseas routes? Or maybe they'll use the increase in capacity to start a new hub.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10176 times:

I am not sure which one of those new hub and already remember with CMH back of year ago and they are no longer use them. Also, I think about LAX is doing well with the transcontinental flight from LAX-JFK/BOS.

User currently offlineKtliem@yvr From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9996 times:

From http://www.airtrading.com/jta.htm#b757

Plenty 757's, even 300's, to choose from - On this site only, a total of 30 757's are offered. I'm sure there are more on sale in the 2nd hand market.

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B757-200 Aircraft available for lease from Nov04 until Apr05. RB211-535E4 engines. MTOW=113.4K Kg.

B757-200 ETOPS aircraft available for immediate sale or dry lease. RB211-535E4 engines. 24J/150Y pax configuration.

B757-200 Two aircraft available for lease only Jun/Aug04. PW2037 engines. Manf. 1997.

B757-200 Two aircraft available for immediate sale. RB211-535E4 enignes. Manf. 1988. TT=52.2/56.4Khr, TC=22.7/19.2Kcy. 228Y pax configuration.

B757-200 Six aircraft available for sale or lease Apr05. RB211-535E4 engines. Manf. 2000. TT=11Kyc, TC=9Kcy. Fresh C-check.

B757-200 Aircraft available for wet lease. RB211-535E4 engines. 233Y pax configuration.

B757-200 Three aircraft available for sale or lease 05Q2. PW2040 engines. Manf. 1990. TT=44.3-46.4Khr, TC=15.8-16.6Kcy. New listing/additional aircraft

B757-200 Aircraft available for lease. RB211-535E4 engines. Manf. 1987.

B757-200 Aircraft available for wet or dry lease from Nov04 until Apr05. RB211-535E4 engines. New listing/additional aircraft

B757-200 Two aircraft available for immediate sale. PW2040 engines. Manf. 1992/93. 220Y pax configuration. New listing/additional aircraft

B757-200 Aircraft available for lease Jun04. PW2037 engines. Manf. 1993. TT=32.5Khr, TC=12.2Kcy. MTOW=230Klb. New listing/additional aircraft

B757-200 Aircraft available for immediate dry lease. PW2037M engines. Manf. 1992. TT=35.6Khr, TC=13.2Kcy. MTOW=250Klb. New listing/additional aircraft

B757-200 Aircraft available for lease or sale Dec04. RB211-535E4 engines. Manf. 1990. New listing/additional aircraft

B757-200F Freighter aircraft available for lease or sale Dec04. RB211-535E4 engines. Manf. 1989.

B757-225 Aircraft available for sale or lease. RB211-535E4 engines. Manf. 1984.

B757-300 Aircraft available for lease Oct04. RB211-535E4B engines. Manf. 2000. 265Y pax configuration.

B757-300 Three aircraft available for immediate sale. RB211-535E4B engines. MTOW=270Klb. 252Y pax configuration.

B757-300 Aircraft available for lease from Nov04 until Apr05. RB211-535E4B engines. MTOW=122.4K Kg.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9788 times:

Kinda of an aside in this thread, but TZ should snap up the 753 with the RR engines that's for outright sale, maybe it's the Icelandic bird, they only have a single 753 in their fleet?

[Edited 2004-06-09 07:34:06]

25 Acidradio : How many operators actually have 753's? I know there are several, but there can't be too many! Who is selling?
26 TrevD : This is ridiculous... The 757 line is closed, done. And almost all of the ex-National a/c are placed. You can't find a good Rolls E4 powered aircraft
27 Shenzhen : I believe that Condor are quietly marketing 13 757-300s, so this could certainly be a source, even if it is through a third party (somebody buys them
28 TriStar500 : DE is keeping their entire fleet of B753 for the medium term, however, they have just withdrawn and sold their fleet of B752 to a Russian leasing comp
29 Post contains images Solnabo : I´ll pop my Airbuscork when it´s on paper and not a rumor Mike//SE
30 Roberta : didnt they just order or exersize options for 30odd A32X's. Wouldnt they have waited and made an almighty 90 plane order in one go.
31 Access-Air : Like Olivia Newton-John sings..... "Once the rumour spreads, the truth is just a thing of the past...." From the song and album entitled "The Rumour."
32 Gigneil : This is ridiculous... The 757 line is closed, done. And almost all of the ex-National a/c are placed. You can't find a good Rolls E4 powered aircraft
33 Flyboyaz : Interesting....I've heard nothing about it...but I don't get to talk to many HP people these days. The B753 would be a good compliment to our existing
34 CactusHP : The question is is where is HP going to go with all these possible new planes? It's obvious that there going to add more flights and maybe go to new d
35 Dbo861 : "There might be a huge order for 60 Airbus's and 18 757's." Any chance some of the 60 Airbuses could be other than from the 32X family?
36 Nycfuturepilot : I'd much prefer to see 757s ordered but wouldnt the A321 make sense for them?
37 SegmentKing : Airbus for $100k a month? you've got to be kidding me. An Embraer 120 is going for $35k a month! Try around $415k a month for an Airbus A320 and that'
38 Dbo861 : Actually, they've made quite clear that the A321 doesn't make sense to them. It doesn't perform as well in the hot climate as the 757.
39 Jmc1975 : Nycfuturepilot, America West has stated on numerous occasions that the A321 is not a suitable replacement for the 757 because of its inferior range an
40 Gigneil : HP is certainly one of the people that really very much needs their 757s. I think they should pick up those 753s as well, whilst they still can. I dou
41 CactusHP : Is a Michael Friemann here? If so, please explain what your e-mail was about. CactusHP
42 Post contains links and images Crosswind : Gigneil, TrevD is absolutely correct about the second-hand B757 market. Good Rolls-powered aircraft are very scarce, the ones that are available tend
43 ASTROJET707 : I don't understand the issue of say HP flying B757s with two engine types. Is it merely cost due to parts inventory required or do cockpit crews have
44 Acvitale : Nate, Better check your lease rates: To creditworthy carriers: EMB120 11-14K per month MD80 30-45K per month A320 100-140K per month I am siding with
45 United_Fan : There was (is?) a few USAir 757's in Mojave,though these may be ex-EA birds with alot of cycles.......
46 Asuflyer05 : I wouldn't expect to see too many 57s from HP since they don't have too many gates at PHX which are capable of handling them.
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