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Photo Taking Banned Since 9/11 In The US?  
User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8022 times:

Hi Guys, I was on my way home from BNA to MAN on Tuesday and had the occasion to pass thru ORD.

After disembarking the SkyWest CRJ at Gate F12 I proceeded into the Lounge and when I got onto the top level I decided to take a photo of the aircraft as it was parked on the ramp.

I was immediately stopped by a member of security who informed me it was illegal and my camera would be confiscated if I persisted  Sad

I then spoke to a member of the Chicago PD later on who confirmed that photo taking is not allowed. However, i have taken photos at various U.S airports since 9/11 without problems.

If photo taking is now illegal, why don't they at least put notices up informing us enthusiasts of this??

Comments Welcome!

Thanks

Lee


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User currently offlineRareBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7977 times:

Lee,

There are about as many scenarios on this as there are airports. Some have no problem with picture taking, others throw a fit. I agree that there should be signs posted if it is not permitted. Best to ask first before you take photos in U.S. airports.



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User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7968 times:

ORD has always been anal about photo taking even before 9-11.

User currently offlineChrisZRH From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 423 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7935 times:

hmm... i've experienced such things only in Africa before.....


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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7906 times:

Who was it, TSA? There is no law against it, maybe some airports don't like it. Do a search in the photo forum, you'll find hundreds of posts on this. And no, they can't take your camera.

User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 931 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7891 times:

I was at ORD just last week and had my camera out and took some pictures. I wasnt hassled at all.

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7899 times:

Never had a problem at BOS, MHT, DEN, CVG, PHL, PIT, JFK, MCO, GSO all the times I've taken pics. Probably just an isolated control freak incident.

User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

Add SJC, OMA and LAX to the list of places where no one has hassled me.

Sounds like someone had rectal wood.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7820 times:

And no, they can't take your camera

Try and stop them. They can and will, and they'll make up any reason they wish to not return it.

N


User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7755 times:

This is lunatic. Not long ago, I was stopped from taking a picture from Gate A7 @ MIA. However, the security guard told me that I couldn't take it from the gate, but I could take it from the hallway that leads to the terminal building instead. I am glad, as it resulted a much better spot.

I agree with the signage proposal. Like when you are in line at the security post and you see tons of signs prohibiting "talking about, making references or even jokes" about weapons and other items.

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User currently offlineRdu777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7718 times:

I went up to ORD during spring break to take photos. I took off from RDU around 6:20 and made it to ORD by 7/8ish I believe. From then on I took pictures in Terminal 2 at the end of the pier until around 11:30, when I went to get my room at the Hilton. I had no problems that day. The next day I got to the same location around 12:00 and my plane didn't depart till 6:30, so I had plenty of time. I made it for about two hours and then a man working the counter for United Express told me to put it away. I did so, that way not to attract attention to myself. That was the end of it. I sat there and watched planes for the other 4.5 hours. So if your lucky they will just tell you to put it away, but I guess it also has to do with who it is.


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User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7705 times:

So what will they do about camera phones? The US has truely gone insane now. Best avoid the place imho.

User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7686 times:

The US has truely gone insane now. Best avoid the place imho.

Because ORD has some employees that are anal about photos, you think the US has truely gone insane, and that people should avoid us.

Boy, you sound smart.



-NWA742


User currently offlineVorticity From United States of America, joined May 2004, 337 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

Try and stop them. They can and will, and they'll make up any reason they wish to not return it.

LOL, yes you are probably right. Even if they are wrong, I'd say there's good money you could lose your camera. You can't always win, I'd say comply if someone hassles you about it. I took pictures at HOU, DFW, EFD, and CID recently without problems.

In my experience, not all security staff/ police have the same understanding of the rules. I've known some to have imagined policies. Unfortunate

So what will they do about camera phones? The US has truely gone insane now. Best avoid the place imho.

Where I work camera phones are forbidden, as all things that take pictures. Hopefully it won't ever come to the point where places like airports forbid them as well. No the US hasn't gone insane, just a few places. Don't judge us all on one security guard  Big grin


[Edited 2004-06-09 20:06:57]


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User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7644 times:


I was stopped from taking pictures of two DL 767's which were parked at the tarmac at ACA, while waiting to board a flight last month.

A week later I spent a couple of hours taking pictures from my gate at MEX, and no one said a thing (MEX having a lot more traffic than ACA).

Sometimes I fear the guys who are in charge don't even know themselves what their own rules are regarding picture taking.


User currently offlineNucsh From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7644 times:

I dont know of a single place in the US where its illegal to take pictures of ANYTHING, no doubt aircraft. Any officer or security guard who may threaten you with arrest or comfiscation is surely ignorant/incompitent of the TRUE rules and laws, or is just not tolerant of our hobby. They could also be thinking that they could've of just stopped the next "9/11" by having you quit with the pictures. Trust me, someone SOMEWHERE has had that for a reason of such intolerance.  Nuts

All you can do is bite your tongue and comply though. They can and WILL take away your camera if so provoked by a resounding no from the "perp".  Yeah sure



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7638 times:

I had no problems whatsoever taking pictures in IND and TPA a couple of weeks ago. Granted i have had some stare at me when taking the pictures but they just don't understand out enthusiasm for this hobby  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3955 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7550 times:

I am usually all over the map, including ORD at lease twice a month and like some here I enjoy taking a few snaps of the tarmac, planes, ect..and I have yet to be approached anywhere. Incidents like these sound like nothing more than power trips on the part of some low-level, low paid rent-a-cop who has dreams of grander. Granted some airport authorities may put in place rules prohibiting photography. If in doubt check with a given airport's website and e-mail them and as some just mentioned here, check this or the photography forum.

Thomas



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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7475 times:

Incidents like these sound like nothing more than power trips on the part of some low-level, low paid rent-a-cop who has dreams of grander. Granted some airport authorities may put in place rules prohibiting photography.

Hehe, rent-a-cop. Sadly, that is usually what it is. Some idiot thinks that they're preventing a terrorist attack by stopping the "evil photographer".

The only airport I know that actually has rules against taking pictures on airport property is CLL (my home). The idiots who run the airport think they’re some special terrorist target and don’t want people taking pictures. Of course they won’t post signs telling the public of this. Their logic is “if we post signs for everything, people won’t pay attention to any sign thus defeating the purpose.”



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7418 times:

The fact that happened in Chicago doesn't surprise me.

The government there has a history of unsurping people's rights.



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7397 times:

the worst part is most Americans don't see it coming.

Anybody that has read "1984" should see this coming. Security is always the reason for losing your rights. How can you argue against it?

I can understand not being able to photograph if the airport has military operations on the field. This is usually the case in poorer third world countries that cannot afford to have separate military and commercial airports and I can understand that. But here in the U.S., there is no excuse but to be a reactionary turd.



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User currently offlineMriya From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7395 times:

At ORD, I've had the least trouble. I've taken tons of photos there, and the only complaint I've gotten was from a Mexicana employee who spoke to me in Spanish. I just went to the next gate and snapped away. Over there, I think the general consensus is that photographing the planes is okay (I did ask a few people, they ok'd it) but you never know who you'll run into who's having a bad day. This was all in the international terminal.

EWR has rules against photographing planes. You can't, unless you get permission from... the port authority, I think it is (corrections welcome).



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12468 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7366 times:

What I've always found scariest about this is not just the inconvenience of it for enthusiasts, but the fact that it proves that security is unfocused. This really is a very good test of airport security and whether they are actually thinking or just strutting about, making rules and ticking boxes. We need more than just goons saying "camera bad", etc. As enthusiasts, we also fly more than the average person and like all travellers, we deserve to feel secure; that's the whole point of security and it certainly doesn't make me feel more secure if security thugs are intimidating photographers in the name of that security. THINK, THINK, THINK - that's how terrorists are challenged and stopped, not by mindless idiocy like this.

Mriva mentions EWR and its rules against photography: you've got to ask - what have they learned. In what aspect of what those animals did on 9/11 did photography feature. Even the dimmest of security people must know that people will take photos of aircraft, one way or another. They can either focus resources on stopping this, OR take an intelligent approach, get to understand it and provide a place where it can be done without harassment. Really, it's not rocket science. Focus thought, focus resources on WHAT THE THREAT ACTUALLY IS, not what certain morons think it is or should be.

I would always try and obtain some legal statement, i.e. from your lawyer, for example, or a statement from the TSA, to back you up - if challenged.


User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7337 times:

"EWR has rules against photographing planes. You can't, unless you get permission from... the port authority, I think it is (corrections welcome)."

Is this only since 9/11? I took quite a few shots out the windows (at airplanes) in the terminal by Continental before a fall '99 trip and wasn't bothered. Is this posted, also? I don't recall seeing any signs banning photographs back then. If there are no signs in evidence specifically saying so, I can't see how this is enforceable. I would definitely ask to see such a regulation on paper and ask for a rationale, if it wasn't posted. To me, such a stipulation without a clearly posted notification seems like an infringement on civil liberties. Just last summer, I took a bunch of shots at JFK and Heathrow and last fall, at the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport. I wasn't bothered at those airports, either. I'd definitely avoid doing it if there were clear warnings that it was banned but if not, it seems ridiculous, especially since I only take shots of airplanes, not anything INSIDE the terminal. I'll have to check for this at Newark on the 28th when I leave for Seattle. A lot of this post 9/11 stuff seems like paranoid nonsense to me. I think this is a bit different than with corporate policies that clearly prohibit photography on their premises for sound reasons of information security or safety issues regarding cameras, these bans are quite understandable.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7303 times:

There are substantual inconsintancies - especially in the USA - from airport to airport as to photography inside airport terminals, onto airport properties, taking pictures from terminals of the ramp and runway areas. I would say it is a universial you cannot take pictures of any security/TSA checkpoints, customs and immigration. As to other areas, this is probably due to the not unreasonable fear of someone someone trying to gather information on the security details and patterns at certain areas of airports. The non-TSA private security Guards are probably told the simpilest line and told to not allow any photography. Police whom are at the airports have their orders too and from their experience probably would rather err on the side of restricting the use of cameras. It is too bad the paranoia of the TSA, some police and some airport authorities cannot come up with well posted and consistant policies that wouldn't hurt the casual traveler or a/c enthusiest.

25 BritPilot777 : I have always had problems with taking photos, whether its outside looking at aircraft, or even within the terminal building, following airports i've
26 Post contains images N754PR : When a country goes around the world talking about freedom you have to laugh when they say in their own country taking picrtures of aircraft is agains
27 Post contains images AvObserver : EXCEPTIONAL POINT, N754PR! Thank you for that gratifying observation!
28 Post contains images N754PR : No problem, more than happy to help
29 NIKV69 : This is ridiculous! There can't be any law against taking pictures of aircraft. As long as you are not in a restricted area. I have taken photos at a
30 Aaron747 : Nobody's taking my fucking camera and I'll take pictures when I damn well please.
31 PHLapproach : NIKV69>>> This is America damn it Don't you just love how people say we are trying to defend our freedom and that we have freedom (Be Proud), yet it's
32 NIKV69 : I agree, I will continue to take pictures, they will have to pry my camera "From my cold dead hand!" Charlton Heston eat your heart out!
33 Ifly2eat : "Thank god for Europe the real land of the free." "When a country goes around the world talking about freedom you have to laugh when they say in their
34 BA747400 : I was just recently at MHT spotting, and went expecting a hassle. However, I was not approached once! I refuse to let someone stop me from enjoying th
35 Jalto27R : I am looking at this from a legal perspective. If we aren't on private property, and we are parked legally on a state owned road, they can't do a thin
36 AvObserver : Just out of curiousity, I wonder exactly what would happen if one of us vigorously resisted our camera being confiscated. How far can airport security
37 Post contains links Adriaticus :
38 Gigneil : Just a brief illustration of the idiots that post on this site. What? They're right. I feel myself becoming less free with every passing day. N
39 JohnJ : "The US has truely gone insane now. Best avoid the place imho." Spike, I was instructed by a rather unpleasant little man at Heathrow in April to stop
40 Post contains links Planemannyc : I always write to the airport authorities before flying to or through an airport on my trips. Of course, given my background, I do take the precaution
41 Asuflyer05 : It is not so much that spotting is illegal as in breaking a law illegal, but in violating the security policy of an individual airport. That's why you
42 Tungd : As a former major-network t.v. videojournalist (who gave up the frustrating career just prior to 9/11), the "simple" rule in the U.S. is that you can
43 Silver1SWA : I was stuck at SEA for an extra 2 hours because of a delay last sunday and I spent the whole time taking pictures from the north Terminal. No one hass
44 Ckfred : I've taken pictures at both ATL and SEA with no problems. On the other hand, in March of 2002, I took a bunch of pictures of AA's Retro 757. I think t
45 Arcano : Maybe I was dreaming, but I remember been at Paris (CDG) in 2001 (before 9-11). I was at E terminal and I wanted to take a photo of the terminal inter
46 Northwestair : When we use to Ramp Board our A/C in OKC we would have a ton of Passengers that would take pictures of the ARJ (RJ85) cause they said it was cool look
47 Freshlove1 : If you get stopped from taking pictures of aircraft by a "rent-a-cop" go with the flow and kindly ask the cop his name, badge number and who his super
48 Warren747sp : It's sad when USA is behaving like the PRC.
49 Dl021 : Has anyone thought of asking airport authorities someplace, or th TSA if there are any laws regarding airplane photography inside of airports? You see
50 Post contains images NWADC9 : I took pictures in PIT (my hometown airport), MSP observation deck, DTW, and MCI and I never got yelled at! Maybe it's because noone was looking excep
51 Post contains images Voodoo : There is also the trick of getting permission when the decision as to what is allowed is arbitrary: it is easier for people to automatically utter the
52 Mtyfreak : Is freedom gone?? NO, but there´s not much left, good luck to the spotters on the US, Let the spirit survive!!!!
53 Lgbguy : Let me say to the folks (kids) who travel the country visiting other airports and daring local authorities to approach them about taking pictures so y
54 Jalto27R : Asuflyer05- What did you think I meant by "legally" parked? That was my whole point. Mike
55 JJMNGR : What a complete lack of sense!!! This paranoid wont´ help in nothing...After 9/11 it was proven that the hole world is insecure and this includes USA
56 Isitsafenow : I feel it depends on the cop and his mood. Its like speeding. One cop will write you up and the next day, another cop will warn you and the next day,
57 Bmacleod : If your camera has been scanned at the security checkpoint and found to be safe, then there's no reason to consider it a weapon. I've taken pictures a
58 OV735 : Call me stupid if you want, but what has photography got to do with security and terrorism anyway? Aviation photography is about catching that smoke f
59 Post contains images CessnaLady : It is sad to see how mis-focusing priorities entails low morale and strip-off of civil liberties. I remember how communist states used to prohibit mak
60 AvObserver : "If you get stopped from taking pictures of aircraft by a "rent-a-cop" go with the flow and kindly ask the cop his name, badge number and who his supe
61 Wedgetail737 : I was told not to take photos at PHL when Midway had a hub there. They told me that it was PHL policy that photography was banned, but they couldn't c
62 Dc8jet : One way to avoid these problerms is to contact the airport. If possible send them an email in advance. If you can't do that stop at the airport office
63 Tonyb : Have been to the States three times this year and have just come back from a wonderful trip to the Hawaiian Islands and San Francisco. So far this yea
64 JGPH1A : Re: the domestic baggage carousels seemed to be in an area that could be accessed by non-ticketed passengers. They always are for Domestic flights in
65 Tonyb : JGPH1A Understood, many thanks. However not very 'security conscious' in this day and age, especially with the US on 'Elevated Alert'. I must admit I
66 Captaink : I think that most airports have the unspoken rule of no photo taking. In barbados, there is a sign that clearly states no photographs inside or outsid
67 Post contains images Mriya : AvObserver: They started this after 9/11, I think. It is NOT posted anywhere. I asked multiple officials, all said I couldn't unless I had permission
68 Post contains images AvObserver : Thank you, Mriya. The fact it's NOT posted makes me question its validity. I'd certainly question any warning I'd get. DC8jet has some good advice. Pe
69 FutureFO : The following airports I have not gotten harrassed at: MCO TPA LAX SAN ATL SLC GNV JAX IAD DCA BWI JFK EWR LGA PHL PIT ORD MDW LAS TUS PHX IND, there
70 FLY2LIM : Nobody's taking my fucking camera and I'll take pictures when I damn well please. Ohhhhh, please. This is the arrogant attitude that gets Americans in
71 Bmacleod : There is nothing they can do about it, simply. There is always something that can be done. Phototaking is a civil liberty. Tell the ACLU (American Civ
72 Asteriskceo : At the smaller airports like LGB, It's just people look at you funny when your sitting staring at a runway for hours LoL!
73 Post contains images Flybynight : I took a bunch of picture recently inside of LAX (all, rejected ). It is normal for it to be illegal to take pictures at military airports, but, I can
74 Av8rdal : Here's something that may help: I've heard of isolated incidents at ATL when spotters are harassed while perched on the top of the parking decks or al
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