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Does Biman Has It's Own Maitenance?  
User currently offlineAms From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1693 posts, RR: 11
Posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Can anyone confirm if BG has its own Maitenance operations in DAC?
Or is it done by another company for their DC-10 and Airbus Aircraft?


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User currently offlineShilla From Germany, joined May 2002, 191 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

I think it is done by a different company. However, they do their own work on the F-28 aircrafts in their hangar at DAC, as well as C-checks on their long-haul fleet.
In the past, Sabena technicians did a lot of work on the DC10s.

I guess, Planemannyc or Mehtabraman know more about that.

[Edited 2004-06-10 21:07:18]

User currently offlineAms From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1693 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2901 times:


Good to hear from you!
Yes I remember your trip report from BRU-DAC-BKK flight on BG in C class!

I am interested for how long BG is intending to keep their DC-10 aircraft in their fleet, and where the Maitenace is performed!

Also BG is offering C class fares from BRU-JFK-BRU for about EUR395.00!!
No Airline can beat that price for C class!


User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1017 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2870 times:
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I think Biman has just began doing part of D-checks for their DC-10s on their own.

An article alluding to that fact can be found here http://www.thedailystar.net/2004/06/02/d40602060262.htm

I guess it is going to be increasingly expensive to do D-Checks for DC-10s. Crazy they have not replaced these birds long time ago.

Hi Shilla, long time! The purchase of 2 F-28s controversy lives on. Apparently one of the two F-28s had problems in the maiden flight. http://www.thedailystar.net/2004/06/07/d40607011111.htm.


Wasim / Planemannyc

User currently offlineShilla From Germany, joined May 2002, 191 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

That F-28 story is a thing noone can really understand. First, Biman sells two ATPs because the media criticized the safety of those old aircrafts and then they buy some F-28s which are even worse (engine failure in its maiden flight, tsss).

However, their DC10s are still in a good shape. When I flew Biman last summer, I never felt unsafe onboard. A flight experience on an Air India B74C was scarier. But in terms of customer service there should be a fleet replacement taking place soon.

AMS, their fares in C-Class are a real bargain and the onboard service is worth the money. Next month, I´m going to take a couple of Biman flights, let´s see if ground service has improved since 2003.

User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1017 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2784 times:
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Shilla, I am sure that safety is not compromised, however, with such old planes, dispatch reliability is really low nonetheless. This leads to chronic flight delays. And Biman is unfortunately known for good customer service on the ground to keep customers informed and provide them with alternatives when a flight is late by more than 5 hours.

On an encouraging note, GMG Airlines, the much-better-run and private Bangladeshi carrier has been granted rights to fly to Kolkata from Chittagong, perhaps as a precursor to other international flights. I would love to see GMG flights to the Middle East and Europe. They would do it right.

As for C-Class on Biman, yes, I do believe that there are incredible deals. Where are you flying to next month?


Wasim / Planemannyc

User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Bangladesh is the most corrupt country in the world. So i am thinking about how that could affect BG as a company and the safety etc.

User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

I thought this piece was interesting.

Biman's viability at stake


Read in a national daily on May 27, 004 that Biman has procured two 27 years old F-28 twin- jet aircraft from Indonesia. These aircraft are out of production over eighteen years ago and the company also gone on liquidation since then. One fails to understand as to why Biman is going for these junks by paying an excessive price of US $ 2.91 million. Its resale value will not be even $ 1.5ml. Because these aircraft are not fit to fly at this stage, no civil aviation technical evaluation team was sent for checking its airworthy status and 75% money have been paid in advance to make it flyable which is never heard of in any aircraft purchase deal. The condition of the aircraft is such, as experienced from similar two aircraft purchased by previous Govt., that the pilots themselves are scared to fly those very old machines in the mountainous area of Katmandu. If the pilots themselves are apprehensive of the safety of the aircrafts, then why the passengers will risk their life to fly by the same unsafe machine. The two very old aircraft Biman purchased from Indonesian Hiebert Group Ltd. Not a known company in the aviation market. Expecting Engine failures in the near future and overhauled engine not being readily available in the market, Biman has already floated tender offering a high price of $525000 per engine. This gives an indication that the maintenance burden will be huge to keep on flying these junks. It is supposed that the Indonesian company made a huge profit by the sale of these two unmarketable obsolete aircraft.

This Govt. took on wet-lease (aircraft with operating crew), two Boeing 737-300 from a company of Singapore at a very high rate per hour of flying. Biman operated those two aircraft for over a year and made this poor Airline lose a huge amount in foreign currency. If those aircraft were taken on dry- lease i.e. only the aircraft and not the crew, with a set of training pilot for 3 months only to convert our pilots. Also keep one or two maintenance Engineers to give support to our aircraft engineers for day- to- day normal maintenance. Then the lease rate would have been much less. Because; the salary and allowances of Singapore crew is much higher than our pilots and engineers. Some one must have made a fortune from this unusual lease agreement at the cost of Biman.

Instead of buying two very old F-28 aircraft, Biman should have procured two Boeing 737-300 aircraft 7 to 10 years old on lease-purchase basis on five years purchase term. The cash flow requirement would have been much less. In the lease purchase for five years payment contract Biman had to pay only one tenth of the calculated price of the aircraft initially and then pay every six months by flying those aircraft on pay-as- you earn basis. This system has another advantage that is; at any time Biman wants to go for a better or bigger type of airliner, in that case Biman could return the machine without any compensation to the seller. Singapore Airlines, Thy Airways, Cathay Pacific Airlines etc always procure their Airliner by lease purchase system though financially those airlines are very sound. The seat-mile cost of B737-300 is much less than F-28, which can carry only 85 passengers. Whereas; B737-300 airliner, can carry 130 passenger, in two- class configuration to a distance of about 1400 miles. The aircraft could have given back-up support to our Airbus routes. The airliner could not operate to short airfields like Rajshahi, Biman should surrender this sector to any private Airline of Bangladesh, as-it-is the passenger on this sector is 12 to 15 per flight, after opening of the Jamuna bridge.

Another disadvantage of F-28 aircraft, that it has very little luggage space. As a result the passengers coming from Middle East and U.K etc. cannot take their luggage with them when they go to their home district like Sylhet, Jessore, Chittagong by F-28 aircraft for short of cargo space in the aircraft.

Those luggage, are sent by land route by Bus or Truck, some time it takes a week and there are problem of pilferage.

It is reported that no fleet planning study was done before finalizing the purchase; of these two very old F-28 from an unknown company of Indonesia. All these blunder happening in running of our national Airline, because it is totally managed by the Aviation Ministry and not by the Biman management, though it to be an Autonomous organization. Also in the Board of Directors there are not a single Aviation or Business experienced person to run it on commercial point of view.

Another sad news came in The Bangladesh Monitor that Phuket Airline one of the Thailand's leading airline started operation from May 20, 004 Bangkok - Chittagong-Dubai with Boeing747-200 aircraft with 16 seats in Business Class and 426 seats in Economy Class total 442 configuration on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays, thrice a week.

It is understood that the new Airline will sweep away all the potential Middle East bound passengers of Biman for two reasons one B747-200 is a bigger four Engine spacious aircraft more attractive to passengers also its operating cost per passenger mile is much less than old DC10-30 type of airliner of Biman. Also the Phuket Airline will be able to undercut their ticket more than Biman. To be compatible with the Phuket Air, Biman should, without delay must procure either B747 or better type of Airliner.

It is reported that Kuwait Airways is offering Biman two Boeing 747-200 aircraft free of cost as gift and Biman is reluctant to accept those two aircraft on a lame excuse that it is not fitted with same type of engine as our DC10-30, which is CF 6-50. Any one who has some knowledge about Airline business knows that it is not at all a problem.

The type of engine fitted with the Kuwaiti B747 aircraft can be changed and fitted with the type Biman interested.0

The engine of Kuwaiti aircraft can be bartered with the new type with any engine dealer at a nominal cost. Only disadvantage will be that no agent will get any commission to share with some one else.


User currently offlineShilla From Germany, joined May 2002, 191 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

To my mind it would make no sense for Biman to operate B747-200, even if they were a gift. They have to focus on fleet modernization, not on "buying this buying that" games. But it is hard, as the company suffers under such a terrible management. This has been discussed many times before, so maybe we should just wait and see what will happen in the future.

Bofredrik: Corruption is indeed a serious problem in Bangladesh and it is affecting Biman for sure as it´s a state-run company.

Wasim, I´m going to fly Fra-DAC-BKK-DAC-Fra and BKK-SIN-BKK on BG - got my ticket today. Also planned to fly them to NRT, but the schedule didn´t suit me.

[Edited 2004-06-11 19:27:44]

User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1017 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2676 times:
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Hope you have a great trip, Shilla. Will be waiting for the trip reports. Take photos!


Wasim / Planemannyc

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