Propulsion From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 3 Posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4675 times:
If all goes well, the 7e7 should probably turn out to be a wonderful replacement for the A300/A310/757 and especially 767 depending on utilisation by individual airlines. Should this occur and Boeing survive prosperously, what market segment do you think they will turn their attention to next?
I am unsure but would suspect either a new 747 400seat replacement or probably more likely, given their latest market forecast figures, a replacement for the 737NG. Any ideas?
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DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 850 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4491 times:
The world's most efficient regional jet. Available in a 28 pax + cargo, 50 pax model in the same airframe and a 68-80 seater (possibly 2 class).
Niether Airbus or Boeing is much interested in the RJ market. Airbus got close with the AC-15X that was to be partnered with a Chinese firm, but nothing happend with that.
Boeing will probably turn to a complete 737 replacement, not another NG program. My prediction is a 130, 160, 190 seat aircraft with 2+2+2 narrow-widebody seating, maybe a hybrid tube-wing/BWB profile, ultra-high bypass engines, and all-composite construction. WN will probably dictate most of the requirements for this aircraft and their launch order alone will practically make them risk sharing partners (100+ to replace 737-300 fleet), with an EOS of 2015. Hopefully Boeing will keep this project in the US of A....
Something I forgot to add- GE, RR, and PW will fight like dogs to get on this aircraft. The CFM56 and IAE V2500 will probably not be contenders, and an all-new core will probably be in order. If PW doesn't get on this airframe it will probably be the end of their commercial market. Even though the 737 is exclusive with the CFM56, I don't see why the 737-Replacement can't have a swappable pylon and thus more than one engine supplier.
Planemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 5709 posts, RR: 35 Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4253 times:
Gigneil, you are correct. The A316 was to have been the 105-seat aircraft. And the A317, the 125-seat aircraft. The AE31X family of regional jets, cancelled in August/98, would have been developed by a joint venture comprising Airbus with a 39% stake, Aviation Industries of China (46%) and Singapore Technologies Aerospace (15%).
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DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 850 posts, RR: 51 Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4183 times:
The AE31x would still be 100+ seats, if I'm not mistaken.
The AE316 would have seated 90-95 passengers and the AE317 would have seated 110-115 passengers. Roughly the same size as the 717 and E190.
I think Boeing should focus their efforts next on the 747. The 737NG is still selling like hotcakes, whereas the 747 barely sells a thing.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to keep the 747 aliave. It would be painful to watch an icon die, but a double-barrel shot into Airbus by taking on both the A330 (7E7) and the A320 (737-R) sounds very tempting.
I'm just teasing you... like what about High Speed Rail by the EOS 2015 of the SWA's BWB/tube planes??
And, just for Planemaker, here is what I had in mind when I said a "tube-wing/BWB hybrid." Excuse my lousy art skills and the fact that my only graphics software is Microsoft Paint. Enjoy-
The blue picture on bottom is the original aircraft I used as my starting point. It happens to be a 767, but I scaled it down to 737 proportions. The black aircraft above is the hybrid design.
The wingbox/wing glove has been abandoned in place of a composite lifting body that blends the wing-ends and fuselage more efficiently. This structure would be all composite, and move equipment traditionally in the center section (like AC packs, center fuel tank, wingbox) to the lifting body area. This creates an unobstructed passenger and cargo deck, creating more room for revenue cargo. The high wing also allows an engine with a larger fan to be hung, without requiring the landing gear to be raised, and benefit from the improved economics of a higher-bypass engine. Plus the aircraft can maintain convenient ground access without service equipment. It's my pipedream... sigh
7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2475 times:
Whoever just sent me an e-mail asking me if i was sick (from my previous post of being sarcastic when i mentioned the next planes after the 7E7 would be the 7F7, 7G7..etc...) you are a spineless little kid who obviously needs a good beating...i tried to respond to the e-mail address you sent it from and it was a no good address...chicken sh*t!
The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!