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747-400 Wing Flex  
User currently offlineJs From Malta, joined Aug 2001, 108 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6228 times:

Using the winglets as a point of reference, these two pictures gives some idea as to how much a 747-400 wing flexes on takeoff! Can anyone estimate the difference in height?

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User currently offlinePhilsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6194 times:

At MTOW the wing flex is almost 3 meters at the tip as compared to the wing tip position on the ground.

User currently offlineFL1TPA From United States of America, joined May 2004, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6158 times:

Looking at the flex from the angle in the photo below is quite amazing! The engineering that goes into these aircrafts is mind-boggling.


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User currently offlineJetfixer75 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6039 times:

The 747-400 wing can deflect a total of 29 ft from top to bottom before the spars fail!!! Absolutely amazing. I have the destructive test on video when Boeing does this, sounds like a bomb going off

User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

Jetfixer75 - Is that a personal video, or can you post it for us to see?


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User currently offlineMd80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6019 times:

That last pic shows an unusual amount of flex.....due primarily to the fact that the pilot has extended his slats....which creates a very large roiling motion of the air below the wing increasing pressure greatly (extra lift). That has to be the most that wing can flex before a stress fracture appears. That pic's a keeper for sure.

User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5996 times:

I remember reading that passengers noted an abnormal amount of wing flex on a BA 741 flying JFK-LHR c.1999. One passenger even described a mild "flapping" notion during the cruise. When the aircraft landed, it was withdrawn from service and immediately inspected. The Jumbo had crossed the North Atlantic with a BROKEN wing spar!!!  Wow! Beat that Airbus!!!  Big thumbs up

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User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1385 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5978 times:

All of the long wing modern widebodies have lots of flex in cruise,takeoff and landing including these;

767
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777
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I have noticed lots of flex on these models.



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5906 times:

Jetfixer75:

IIRC wasn't 29 feet where the 777's wings fall apart? That video was public on the Discovery channel recently. They re-run the doc on the 777 periodically, also on Discovery Wings.



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User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5895 times:

Seems to me that the longer the wing, the greater the chance of flexing...rational thinking or just obvious?

I also think that the location of the engine matters, so that may be just coincidence!

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User currently offlineNoelG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5773 times:

I flew on a MH 747-400 recently from KUL-LHR and it was amazing to see from behind the wing the difference - before pushback the wings (being full of fuel) were bent down at the end, hardly giving enough room for the fuel truck that was there.

After landing, as we taxied in, we went past a BA A320 and the wingtip was higher than we were in the cabin, higher than the A320 as well!

Quite interesting to see the difference!


User currently offlineRotate From Switzerland, joined Feb 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

wingflex is definetely higher/greater due on landing, than on takeoff ....


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User currently offlineNBGskygod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 826 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

The more weight the plane has the more the wing will flap. The C5's wing flapping is so bad it has a damping system to limit it, if that system fails the plane tends to resemble a large bird flapping through the air, and I would imagine not too much fun for those riding inside.


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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

If the wings DIDN'T flex I'd be worried!  Nuts

Flexing is designed into the wings of large aircraft. If they just sat there rigid, then where would the changes in stress and vibration be going? A fully rigid wing on a 747 would be under all kinds of changing pressures and much more prone to stress fractures.

Think of dropping a plate on the floor. A bendy plastic one just bounces, a ceramic/pottery one shatters. That flex absorbs a lot of punishment and shock!


User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

I hardly see any flex in a 743 wing, can someone tell me the difference in flex movement between 744 and 743.
I have read the 744 wing can flex 29ft. but what about a 743 wing ?


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User currently offlineToni_ From Cape Verde, joined Apr 2002, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

That's because of the greater wingspan. The 744 has a wingspan of 64 meters, and a 747 classic 59 meters. And also I think the winglets make it a bit easier to detect the wing flex from a distance on a 744. It's the combination of winglets and great wingspan that make the A330 look like a huge albatross stretching its wings while gliding above the ocean.

As for the max a 743 wing can take... I think the first 747 test wing back in 1969 snapped at 10 meters... Still very impressive!


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17068 posts, RR: 66
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

As for flying with a broken wing spar, the 747 cheats since it has three spars as opposed to the usual two.  Big grin


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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

10 metres = 30 feet

All 747s have the same SPAR, hence they all snap within a foot of each other.

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User currently offlineJetfixer75 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

The video I have is from Discovery Wings. It was taken during the destructive testing of the 744. I'll have to look for it and see if I can figure out how to post it on here.

User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

I love the NW JFK 747-4 Dept picture

As stated ~ WOW

Looking at the flex from the angle in the photo below is quite amazing! The engineering that goes into these aircrafts is mind-boggling.

I love 747-4 they are really quite amazing but Just think if you were to see a smurf in the isle?


User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

"I'll have to look for it and see if I can figure out how to post it on here. "

Try: http://www.movie-host.net They handle uploads up to 35 megabytes. Totally anonymous, and free.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17068 posts, RR: 66
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4160 times:

For the record, 10 metres = 32.8 feet.

Source: www.onlineconversion.com



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