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Chinese Airlines Near 7E7 Mega Order  
User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7294 times:

...and here it is:

According to the officials, a nonbinding MOU has been signed with Boeing that includes China Southern, Air China, China Eastern and Hainan Airlines, with commitments also expected from Xiamen Airlines and Shanghai Airlines. Each carrier will require 10-15 aircraft and government approval is being sought. An announcement is expected before or at the Farnborough Air Show, with the Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 thought to be the engine frontrunner.

Source: http://www.atwonline.com/indexfull.cfm?newsid=4251


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User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7226 times:

Great news, I think its one ugly plane but more regs for me to see  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7209 times:

YOW!

60 aircraft? And that's before SQ and any of the European carriers place their orders.... At this rate Boeing will have their 200 orders before August....



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User currently offlinePropulsion From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7167 times:

It would be wonderful news should this occur. I agree with Starrion that Boeing will indeed be doing very well in relation to their predictions should this come to fruition.

I disagree with N754pr's claim that the 7e7 is an ugly aircraft. I think the graphical interpretations that we have seen so far show a nice change from other aircraft designs, although I very much doubt that the 7e7 will be so remarkably different in reality. It will gradually adopt what will become an ever more conventional looking form as the laws of mathematics dictate its optimum shape. The distinction will probably remain with regard to window sizes, the interior and a few exterior features such as the possibility of alternative and slightly more elongated flight deck windows and maybe even that controversial shark fin tail.



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User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7144 times:

... and it is only a beginning. Those airlines will need dozens of 7E7/332 each in the next decades.

The 7E7 ugly? Well, the tail is remarkable but the nose is awful...



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User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6914 times:

I can't stand the nose or tail, just ugly.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6889 times:

Do you guys, want to hold off until metal is actually cut before calling the design ugly.

A lot can change on paper between now, and when the design is finalized.



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User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6587 times:

Kewl . . .

Chinese airlines near 7E7 mega order, AVIC nabs rudder work
Dateline: Friday June 11, 2004

The Chinese aerospace sector will participate in the 7E7 program, it was announced yesterday, while Chinese aviation industry officials separately told ATWOnline that four and possibly six airlines will purchase up to 60 7E7-8s, with first delivery to coincide with the Beijing Olympics in 2008.

According to the officials, a nonbinding MOU has been signed with Boeing that includes China Southern, Air China, China Eastern and Hainan Airlines, with commitments also expected from Xiamen Airlines and Shanghai Airlines. Each carrier will require 10-15 aircraft and government approval is being sought. An announcement is expected before or at the Farnborough Air Show, with the Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 thought to be the engine frontrunner.

Separately, Boeing announced the signing in Beijing of MOUs with China Aviation Industry Corp. I and China Aviation Industry Corp. II under which affiliates of the two companies will provide parts and assemblies for Boeing aircraft, including the composite rudder for the 7E7.

According to a statement, "Boeing will work with Chengdu Aircraft Industrial (Group) Co. Ltd., an AVIC I affiliated company, for supply of the rudder." Boeing said it is developing "additional opportunities for Hafei Aviation Industry Co., an AVIC II company, to produce metallic and composite parts and assemblies for various Boeing aircraft," including the 7E7. Total value of the agreements could reach "several hundred million dollars."--Geoffrey Thomas


User currently offlineCaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

Do any of you think this may be reduced slightly by the order for 20 A333s that was signed today between Airbus and China Eastern Airlines?


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User currently offlineHz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6482 times:
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Fortunately, ugly is a matter of taste. I love the look A330-200, but hate look of the A342 & A343, the engines just look too small.

This is great news as it seems the 7E7 and 773 have found a home in Asia!



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User currently offlineRT514 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6461 times:

Do you guys, want to hold off until metal is actually cut before calling the design ugly


I think people are just commenting on the design as it exists thus far, that's certainly fair game.

Ultimately, I don't know how aesthetically pleasing the 7E7 will be. Efficiency is the main objective of this exciting new design. Unfortunately, efficiency usually doesn't have a positive correlation with good looks.

We'll just have to wait and see...


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6444 times:
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China Eastern.. one of the airlines mentioned just ordered 20 A330-200s.





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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12382 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6406 times:
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China Eastern.. one of the airlines mentioned just ordered 20 A330-200s.

The order was for A330-300s, and was placed by the CASGC. Airbus' press release doesn't mention which airline(s) will operate the planes.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6366 times:
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Bloomberg says -200's




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User currently offlineCaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

The article on Yahoo says -300s, and it says that China Eastern will be operating them, as per my post above.


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12382 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6115 times:
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Bloomberg says -200's

Airbus says -300s - http://www.airbus.com/dynamic/media/index.asp  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6058 times:

The 7E7 is beautiful, both the design thus far, and the fact that it is on track to being one of Boeing's best-sellers even before it has flown. . .that is beautiful. . . . .now, let's see who's next on the 7E7 order wagon going 'round!


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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6035 times:

"Do any of you think this may be reduced slightly by the order for 20 A333s that was signed today between Airbus and China Eastern Airlines?"

Probably not. For one thing, today's A330 order, as you correctly point out, is for -300s. If/when China places an order for the 7E7, it will most probably be for -3s and -8s. These are smaller aircraft than the A330-300.

There's also something else going on here, too. Politics. As history has shown, China likes ordering aircraft in a manner that doesn't upset either side. Until yesterday, today's order was reported to be for only 10 firm, 10 option. Now its 20+10. One might think this is because China is reconsidering the size of the 7E7 order. As I understand it, this is not correct. In fact, China is reconsidering an aircraft, but its not the 7E7. A day or two ago, the Chinese director of civil aviation stated that the A380 is 'too big.' Therefore, I think the doubling of the A330 order was a method to appease Airbus against a lack of an A380 order and the large forthcoming 7E7 deal.

Just my thoughts,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6001 times:

I saw this coming a long way off.. even mentioned it to Roberta in the chatroom, but couldn't really say anything as I got it from an internal source and it wasn't public yet.

But I can tell you that there are several other high profile orders in the works, one of which in particular I think will be a big shocker to all of you!

Any of you care to speculate as to who you think it might be? (I know but I can't tell you.. lol)


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

"But I can tell you that there are several other high profile orders in the works, one of which in particular I think will be a big shocker to all of you!"

Okay. . .what is it? United? Delta? Lufthansa? F9? Man, I could go on with shockers. . .how about a hint?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

I can't say a word...

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5960 times:

So. . .you're saying it's United. . . Big grin


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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

lol... I'm neither confirming nor denying anything. But speaking strictly from a personal point of view, I don't think that UA has the money to do anything; if they survive.

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5902 times:

Wow, it certainly feels like there is a tsunami of an order(s) headed for Boeing. . .and you know when it's going to hit, etc. Well, I for one, can't wait.


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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5896 times:

The only way I know any of this is because I have a friend that works @ 7E7.. without him, I wouldn't know squat.  Smile

25 Post contains images Caetravlr : Well, we only know what you tell us, and what makes the press. So, we know only slightly more than squat?
26 Post contains images BCAInfoSys : lol.. something like that. I have the names and general order sizes for 3-4 carriers that are said to be in current negotiations. (orders that are not
27 Mlsrar : I have my money on SAS and CX. I have a feeling that UA will follow NW's shadow and keep an aging, but reliable fleet intact to weather their financia
28 Clickhappy : Aloha is looking at a large 7e7 order. Honest.
29 Post contains images Vorticity : I can't say a word... laugh , that's why I don't talk what I work, I'm afraid I'd slip up and let something out. For a shocker, I'm going to guess AA
30 BCAInfoSys : Royal.. do I sense some sarcasm? Are you being fecious or serious?
31 Clickhappy : No sarcasm. Supposedly its the real deal.
32 BoeingBus : My bet is on Southwest. They have a lot of cash and there are routes they could additional capacity, instead of frequency.
33 BCAInfoSys : Huh.. that one caught me out of left-field. Possible. I don't hear everything.. (shrugs) Maybe... that would be a big bump-up in capacity for them. I
34 Mlsrar : I mean, AQ is flying 738s across the water for crying out loud When did they order 738s?
35 Post contains images BCAInfoSys : Are they 73G's? I thought they were 738s, but I guess they could be any type of 737.. I guess my memory is failing me!
36 Vorticity : When did they order 738s? Probably meant 73Gs
37 Ghost77 : BCAInfoSys, Just a hint! Any chance of business with a latin carrier? 7e7 would look amazing with MX, AM, LA, RG, and least possible since its buying
38 BCAInfoSys : I would say that any of that AM, RG, and LA are possibilities. But that's just from my personal point of view.. I have no information one way or anoth
39 WhiteHatter : And I think you are all looking in the wrong direction. TUI. Britannia has a lot of older 767s that are due to be replaced, Hapag-Lloyd needs A310 rep
40 Stirling : But I can tell you that there are several other high profile orders in the works, one of which in particular I think will be a big shocker to all of y
41 Post contains images DfwRevolution : ...hmm wonder which aircraft I prefer My bet is on Southwest. They have a lot of cash and there are routes they could additional capacity, instead of
42 WhiteHatter : I'll go along with your picture unless Airbus does something to make the A330 more attractive. The A330 stole the 767 market with its better numbers a
43 Elwood64151 : WN has a huge fleet of narrowbodies and they could be pushing 500 737s in 2010. When will they add capacity rather than frequency, if ever? WN could p
44 Post contains images Vorticity : Errr, that must be the military version of the 7E7 Any thoughts on wether or not the 7E7-8 has too much range? Could it be too heavy and expensive to
45 DfwRevolution : s. I don't think that'll happen, simply because of some of the smaller cities they fly to now that do well with the 737s, but wouldn't do well with a
46 Bubbinski : Regarding Southwest: at what point would they be unable to add frequencies in their biggest/best markets? An airport can only handle so many departure
47 Post contains images A388 : BCAInfoSys, I would guess that First Choice (Air 2000) is the 'unexpected airline' that will order the 7E7. There are rumours of a charter airline bei
48 The777Man : TUI wouldn't be a big shocker since they already have 767s and a large 738 fleet. AQ would be a "shocker" and so would WN. It's very likely that TUI w
49 Post contains images A388 : I can't resist to say that the 7E7 will be a very very nice aircraft to see once it is being operated by airlines. The dolphin shaped nose and unique
50 Post contains images Bmacleod : I can't stand the nose or tail, just ugly. Given that we're in the 21st century, newer futuristic designs are becoming the norm. My congrats to Boeing
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