JU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4 Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1744 times:
A Boeing delegation, headed by Tom Vanderhoven, has visited Jat Airways in Belgrade. Boeing apparently presented four aircraft models, including the 737-600, 737-800, 767-200 and the 7E7. Some reports conflicted between the 737-600 and the 737-700. Out of all the aircraft models, Jat Airways should be most interested in the Boeing 737-800, while they have also voiced their interest in getting newer long range planes. No specific details were announced to the public whether Jat Airways will purchase or lease any new aircraft produced by Boeing, nor was there any indication of the value of any possible aircraft purchase. In the meantime Jat Airways has indicated that they will conduct a study where technical issues, crew training, and a model for fleet renewal will be analyzed. Boeing is expected to give Jat Airways its first concrete offer within two weeks. After receiving the offer, Jat Airways will be required to consult with the Serbian government, as the airline is state owned.
Apparently a delegation from Embaer have also visited Serbia; however, no concrete results have been released to the public thus far. In my opinion JAT are in need of new aircraft, but any concrete deliveries would be unlikely to take place before 2007.
I think that there are two foreseeable possibilities where new planes would be needed prior to 2007:
(1) A replacement for the DC-9 will be necessary. The Boeing 737-600, 737-700, or ERJs should replace the Douglas birds, otherwise JAT will have to add more Boeing 737-300s or ATR-72s to offset their needs in the short run.
(2) Should Jat Airways decide to once again fly on its own to Canada and the United States within the foreseeable future, long range aircraft will be necessary.
At this time there is no particular need to replace the 737-300s or regional ATRs, therefore, I do not expect a concrete order for the Boeing 737-700 at this time, though options for their long-term replacement will be certainly considered. One thing is certain, JAT has not proclaimed any interest for the Boeing 717.
BCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1576 times:
I heard on the radio this morning that JAT had completely turned it's back on Airbus and committed to ordering from Boeing. But that's from a country music station's news break in the morning commute.. so I won't given it any credability...
Dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11433 posts, RR: 81 Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1528 times:
Somebody at Airbus will have kittens....this same thing is happening with my little business and my larger competitor today, and I'm pissed about the a few thousand in commissions we may not make now, one can only imagine the tooth gnashing going on in Toulouse right now with the hundreds of millions at stake here.
WhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1478 times:
JAT can't afford to make mistakes.
Remember that Yugoslavia is barely coming out of a period of civil war and break-up, and JAT suffered badly in that period.
Their engineers and crew are used to Boeing/Douglas aircraft, and upgrading from analog Boeings might be less of an expensive and lengthy push than migrating to Airbus aircraft. It will also not be a major order at this stage as the money and passenger numbers are just not there, so economies of scale aren't a huge factor in changing supplier.
Boeing could be in with a great chance of placing 767s with GE engines and even some new/secondhand 737s to replace the DC9s which won't be able to operate within Europe next year. Boeing's financing arm and other partners would doubtless be involved. JAT have experience with the CF6 from their DC10 so the 767/GE combo could be ideal.
JU101 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 832 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1357 times:
I think it would be awesome if JAT could get it hands on two Boeing 767s, in addition to a gradual delivery of newer generation 737s. The order made by the government of Slobodan Milosevic back in 1998 was more of a political gesture than anything else. The Airbus 319 is a direct replacement for the Boeing 737-300, and clearly the withdrawal of this aircraft type from the JAT fleet is absolutely unecessary.
If i were calling the shots in Belgrade, here is what i would do:
(1) Order 2 or 3 Boeing 737-600s to replace the two DC-9s that currently serve on the JAT domestic network, with delivery scheduled for 2005. I would not replace the other three DC-9s, as they are on lease, and are otherwise not needed.
(2) Order 3 Boeing 737-800s to replace the Boeing 737-400s by 2007.
(3) Lease 2 Boeing 767s or 2 Airbus 330s with delivery scheduled for 2005.
(4) Leave options to order an addition of up to 10 Boeing 737s, particularly the 737-700, as the need arises to replace the 737-300s after 2010.
(5) Eventually order a few Embaer regional jets to replace the ATR-72s, however, I would not make this a priority at this point.