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User currently offlineSANSCOTT744 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 97 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

Does anyone have any pics from PDX on 6/10 and 6/11 of the new Northwest flights to Tokyo?

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User currently offlineFightingDingo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

I got some today!!! The flight left on 10R at about 2:27pm.
Here is a link to my pictures:
http://photos.yahoo.com/fightingdingo

Let me know if this works!


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Great Photos! Looks like another Sunny day in the Rose City.

Question.
When DL had the route, at least they had some mainline feed into NRT, (as well as NGO, SEL and TPE) from the hubs, plus Vegas, NYC, Vancouver, LA, and SFO. But,
NW as far as I know, only has feed from MSP and DTW, plus CO and AS codeshare. Is this enough to support the flight? Will O&D be strong enough?



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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2418 times:

Great pics.! Thank you!  Big thumbs up

I think this flight will do well...especially once it goes to a lower cost/more efficient aircraft this fall. Don't get me wrong, I love the DC-10 and would pick it over the A330 any day, but it will be more cost-effective for NW.

The PDX-area has been STRUGGLING/FIGHTING for resumption of non-stop service to Asia since 2001, when DL pulled out. While there are strong enough ties to Europe to support PDX-Frankfurt on LH, the business ties are even stronger with Japan and the rest of Asia.

PDX has never gone long without non-stop pax/cargo service to Asia:

UA: 1983 - 1986 (742)
DL: 1987 - 2001 (L10-11, MD-11)
NW: 2004 - ?

Pan Am used to have PDX-NRT authority, but not sure if they actually operated a flight. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Ideally, I'd love to see UA operate the route again with a 763 or 772, but I think we all know damn well that won't ever happen again. However, I think NW will do well....I give them at least 5 years of success, probably more.


User currently offlineGeedo From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Good job, FD.

I wish I had had the time to hang around out there to watch, but once the delay got to be more then twenty minutes, I had to get back to work. I was listening on my scanner and once I heard them tell the ATC that they needed to go back to the gate, I was disappointed.  Sad

Thyat's okay, though, I'll get her in the days ahead.  Smile




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User currently offlineKwbl From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Pan Am never operated NS flights to NRT from PDX. SEA & HNL were the only NS routes when PA was here. As for DL & PDX, DL did have mainline feed from ATL, DFW, CVG, JFK, SLC, BOS (for a short time), SFO (later switched to Skywest), YVR (see sfo), AS / KLAS), USA - Nevada">LAS, LAX, SEA. Before DL flew ATL-NRT, the PDX-NRT run was among the most profitable in the system. At one time, NRT, SEO & NGO were doing pretty well. In the late 90's, the Japanese economy went south, PDX had some immigration problems, the US economy softened and thus the flights did not perform as well. I believe the other problem that with the exception of the SLC & CVG connections, all of the other cities had their own nonstops to asia which further limited their potential. IMO, I think DL could have made PDX work but they needed to gain regional feed with QX and continued to build on mainline connections. I also beleive DL wanted the sexier routes (JFK & LAX to asia) and felt they could do better in those markets. Ain't it funny that they did worse after the flights were switched to JFK & ATl. Maybe it was not a PDX problem but a DL problem?

as for NW, I think their business plan has less risk than DL. NW has a hub in NRT so that will take PDX passengers beyond NRT. DL never had this. They also, with the combination of code shares with AS, QX, CO & DL, have far more connecting possibilities than DL ever had at PDX. Remember that SEA will go from a 742 to A330 and so their will be fewer seats out of SEA which will help. I heard, but I do not know if this is true, that UA and NW carried more passengers to NRT than DL when DL was here. Portland PAX would drive or fly to SEA. The Oregonian newspaper had an article that NW anticipates 2/3 of the seats will be O & D traffic with 1/3 connecting.


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

I heard, but I do not know if this is true, that UA and NW carried more passengers to NRT than DL when DL was here.

Kwbl: I'm sure of it. My Dad used to work for UA in PDX, and they were told that UA consistently outperformed DL for pax originating in PDX and going not only to NRT, but other destinations in Asia, through the LAX and SFO connections. I can't speak for NW. I believe the reason why is because UA had the hub in NRT, and DL didn't, lending support to your belief that NW has a better, less risky business plan for the flight to NRT. Once the higher cost DC-10 and 742 leaves the fleet, NW will see lower costs on both the SEA-NRT and PDX-NRT flights.



User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1942 times:
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To what extent did DL, CO, NW, and AS retime their other flights to meet the new NRT service? I noticed two NW 757s on approach today, one right after another, which I don't recall seeing ever before...



User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

was sailing in Vancouver (sp?) this weekend. Saw the -10 get up out out of PDX this afternoon. I assumed it was the Tokyo flight, don't know if they operate any other DCs into PDX.

Awesome to see.

George



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1822 times:

Has Portland fixed their little immigration problem?

That's what killed DL.

N


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1786 times:
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The NRT flight is the only DC-10 passenger service into PDX. There are some sporadic FedEx 10s that you see as well, but no other pax flights.

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

weird, I saw a good number of FedEx -10s on approach to PDX this weekend.

We sailed right where they turn to final over the Columbia. We're racing, and I'm watching the planes, that is not fast.

Could have sworn I saw a 744F come in too, looked like China Airlines.

The tokyo service is getting tones of fanfare too, they seem pretty committed to keeping it up, and they're looking forward to using the A332s when they come on.

George




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User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

I just read recently that somewhere around the next 5-10 years, the Port plan to seek out airlines to estlablish new nonstop routes connecting PDX to London, England and China...Do you think they are being overly ambitious, or could these routes possibly work within the next 5-10 years given that the passenger count at PDX continues to improve?

User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

Does anyone know why they are digging up Horizon airline's ramp aprons and adjourning taxiways at PDX?

User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1536 times:

Well, slightly off topic, but I'll bite...

I just read recently that somewhere around the next 5-10 years, the Port plan to seek out airlines to estlablish new nonstop routes connecting PDX to London, England and China...Do you think they are being overly ambitious, or could these routes possibly work within the next 5-10 years given that the passenger count at PDX continues to improve?

Dare to dream, I guess.... Insane

The Port of Portland right now needs to focus on:
a.) LOWERING LANDING FEES
b.) Finding a way, ANY WAY, to make the PDX-FRa nonstop profitable.
c.) Finding a way, ANY WAY, to make the PDX-NRT nonstop profitable.
d.) Finding a way, ANY WAY, to make the PDX-Guadalajara nonstop profitable.

After the four items above are completed, only then start writing a wish list for more international service.

Even if PoP were by some incredible miracle land a flight within 5 years or less to London (LGW, won't be LHR) and/or HKG/PEK/PVG, how angry will LH and NW be? Both of those carriers came in to PDX, gave them a chance, in hopes of cornering the PDX-Europe and PDX-Asia market. Now, if PoP goes behind their backs so to speak, and gets another competitor for these two carriers...look out.

5 years to LGW or China is laughable. The PoP should hope and pray that NW and LH are still flying to PDX in '09 and profitable. Now, if the international passenger demand from the PDX area (and I include all of Oregon for that matter, plus much of SW Washington) were to double, to the point where LH and NW are both profitable and turning away enough business, THEN maybe another carrier could come in. Remember that SEA, and YVR for that matter, will always offer more service to Europe and Asia, so US and foreign carriers will be on the reluctant side to add service to a much smaller market like PDX. Never say never, anything can happen....but I'll err on the side of caution on this one.

BlatantEcho: Yes, that was most likely China Airlines operating that 744, they run cargo flights into PDX several times a week, not sure if it's daily. Korean does the same.






[Edited 2004-06-15 04:09:50]

[Edited 2004-06-15 04:13:10]

User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1468 times:

Your right..Never say never..I'm pretty sure that the Port's future forcast is meant for 10 years and beyond..Who would have thought that Lufthansa, Northwest to Narita, and Mexicana would be serving such a "small" market like PDX. In my opinion this is all we need and can support for many years to come..I could still see a big increase on the domestic front within the next 10 years and maybe more International cargo flights...

User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

I could still see a big increase on the domestic front within the next 10 years and maybe more International cargo flights.

Yes...the more likely scenario.... Big grin


User currently offlineSANSCOTT744 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1443 times:

At least Portland has some, albeit 3 international flights. That's more than I can say down here in good'ol San Diego. They could not keep there one and only overseas non-stop international flight.(BA to London) They could not realize how important for business it is to have this. It's funny San Diego has a way of spending money on things that are really not necessary but when it comes to putting themselves on the map for anything, the rule of law around here is to hold on to a sense of "small townness" .....What a joke!..(3 million people in metro san diego..So much for a small town) the political leaders here and business men have a way of throwing money at other less important things. I give Portland credit for going out on a limb and their business and political leaders for forging ahead towards international service at their airport. It takes forward thinking and a vision to keep things going, just as much as it does money. I think that Northwest will do well in Portland not only do they have delta, horizon and Alaska feeding the PDX-NRT flight, but once in NRT they arrive at Northwests' Asian hub.

User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

We are grateful in Portland for those new international flights. But in San Diego, domestically your much stronger than we are up here. You have several airlines that do not serve PDX at this time. Us airways, Jetblue, American Eagle are a few that I can think of right off of the top of my head. Go figure.. I would love to see more domestic flights out of PDX..

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1400 times:
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Leneld:

Be careful what you wish for. Let's look at the domestic carriers that don't presently serve PDX:

American Eagle: where would they go? PDX-LAX? That's what AS and the codeshare is for. PDX-DFW? Kill me.

jetBlue: My gut tells me that JFK-PDX is on the map at some point. Not sure if they'll be ballsy enough to do PDX-California. Probably not.

US Airways: What's the incentive? UA has flights to DEN and ORD, and a daily to IAD that you can connect all over the east, on US and UA flights. US gains zero from coming to PDX.

ATA: What's the point? You can get everywhere ATA flies on another carrier for about the same cost.

AirTran: Not gonna happen. They have bigger markets to worry about on the West Coast before PDX.

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What I'd rather see is steady, sure growth by the current carriers to beef up frequencies and connect the dots, with new entrants where they make sense. PDX-JFK on jetBlue would do well, IMHO. More UA service to IAD. Maybe an AA flight to MIA or a NW flight to MEM, or more service to DTW. That type of growth is more stable and more likely to stick around for the long term.


User currently offlineZonks From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

It's CA that serves PDX with 744Fs, not to be confused with CI.

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