MEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 11 Posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5260 times:
I've checked Airbus' website,the orders&deliveries table in particular,and the A340-500 has only 21 orders with 11 already delivered.
SQ & EK are the only operators of this type so far,with the latest news in the forum that Air Canada will be taking deliveries of their two planes.
I was wondering why is the A345 only operated by the mentioned above airlines,why isn't anyone else oredring it?Is it the geographical location of the UAE & Singapore that imposed that EK & SQ go for with ultra long range A345,and therefore no other orders have been placed by other airlines?
Looking forward for your feedback,
YUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5215 times:
...And why so few 772LR customers?
Niche aircraft, more expansive than the 343E/772ER. Unit cost on these a/c is higher than on the regular 343E/772ER so airlines have no incentives to buy and operate them on long haul routes that does not require the range of an A345/772LR.
Nothing more, nothing less...
[Edited 2004-06-12 20:23:02]
E volavo, volavo felice più in alto del sole, e ancora più su mentre il mondo pian piano spariva lontano laggiù ...
albeit its a private jet not in commercial service.
Is it the geographical location of the UAE & Singapore that imposed that EK & SQ go for with ultra long range
Well SQ wanted it for US flights as the range is a too far for their current jets.
EK wanted it for Long range flights, which could carry a lot of cargo and where pleased with the A345's hot and high takeoff performance out of DXB and its price.
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4934 times:
Good call about of A345. If they want get more customers go on the orders with A345. They need to beefing up with more new nonstop into the world. There is no US airlines make on the orders with A345/6 either.
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4903 times:
What are the major differences between the 345 and 346?
I just saw the 346 at the Berlin Air Show...could it be longer than a 747?
Is doing aerobatics in aircraft such a large aircraft really a good idea?????
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4820 times:
A real niche bird, just like the 753, 764, 772LR. I've flown on the 753, 764, and the inaugural SQ A345 service LAX-SIN and love them all. IMO they all have the nicest aesthetic lines of their respective series and aren't bad to ride on either, particularly the 117 seat economy section on the SQ A345.
Aussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4786 times:
In April QF called for tenders for a LR aircraft it was between the 777 and the A340 (no model specified), so expect an order to be announced probably in August 19 (when their full year results or announced) or October 21 (date of their AGM). I wouldn't anticipate an announcement any earlier as most large fleet announcements are usually made around this time.
Propulsion From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4722 times:
The reasons have been well explained in this topic. The ultra-long range aircraft are simply not required in the huge numbers we see other aircraft acquired. They are generally expensive and harder to get rid of second-hand and beyond.
The A345 is also shorter than the A346 so it is not simply a case of 'A346+1150nm range'.
A bus is a vehicle that runs twice as fast when you are after it as when you are in it.
AC From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2004, 77 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3375 times:
A340-500 has only 21 orders with 11 already delivered
Really very few orders. I am wondering how many firm orders are required for Airbus to recover its development costs. I agree these ultra-long flights are niche aircrafts, otherwise there should be some big orders from those aircraft-leasing companies beside airlines.
LVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2949 times:
Which aircraft are you referring to? The A342 was designed to carry 240-300 pax 14,800km (8,000nm). The A343 carries 300 pax 13,500km (7,300nm), and neither the A332 nor the A333 come close in terms of range. Did Boeing produce anything around 1994 that boasted a greater range to the A342?