Propulsion From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17204 times:
Fedex have already ordered the A380. I will be most surprised if a US passenger carrier orders the A380 in the very near future as many of them seem to be in a poor state and have been regularly written off in this forum for not having the ability to purchase desired 7e7's. If accurate, how can they go further and order the A380?
I would however agree that the most likely candidate would be Northwest Airlines, although an order may not be feature deliveries until at least a few years yet.
A bus is a vehicle that runs twice as fast when you are after it as when you are in it.
Tasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17174 times:
U.S. airlines where in a poor state in 1969-70 as well - yet they purchased B747s. It's all relative. Personally I have flown Detroit - Amsterdam on a fully booked NW 747-400 (overbooked by 40 seats actually). If they had an A380 avalible it would have been full too - no questions.
Dynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1845 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17143 times:
It could very well be UPS. They have plenty of 300Fs on order that they don't want all but Airbus won't let them cancel unless they replace the canceled orders with some other orders. If it's UPS, then I don't think it's a shocker.
Jean leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2109 posts, RR: 21 Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17137 times:
I believe FedEx has already placed their order some time ago. Is UPS a possibility?
If it is a pax carrier, it is hard for me to imagine it being anyone other than NW, since they are the only (relatively) healthy airline that already flies widebody airbii, and has a big long-haul network. Still, this seems strange. I think it is a bit early for NW to be thinking about replacing/moving beyond their 747's, and the DC-10 replacements are already set.
TrevD From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 327 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17109 times:
This article was from back in May... The only US carrier Airbus may have a shot with the A380 at is UPS as part of their plan to drop some of the A300 freighters on order. Those are firm orders and Airbus won't let them off the hook without commiting to another type.
AGrayson514 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 396 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17013 times:
I vote for UPS, which I was going to do even before I read the previous posts . The only other which I can think of would be NW...or I guess UA, but neither of them seem very likely. Are there any other cargo airlines based in the US that could use that kind of capacity?
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 16810 times:
My guess is that Airbus is definitely wanting to court a UPS order for the
A380-800F and maybe in talks with Northwest Airlines (NW) for a possible passenger order. Maybe NW will become the first airline to fly the A388 between NRT and JFK??
UAFan17 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 120 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16572 times:
Oh do I wish UA would be the launch usa customer, but YEAH RIGHT. I heard from an AA F/A today that AA isn't very happy with Airbus after Flt. 587. They are also tryung to slowly get rid of the A300s which in their reservations systems are known as B6 lol( just some of the side idiotic fact i thought was weird.)
Tasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16279 times:
"I heard from an AA F/A today that AA isn't very happy with Airbus after Flt. 587"
And they shouldn't be. That aircraft should have never came apart the way it did. There has been much speculation that had 587 been a B767 it would would not have failed. Is there a structural engineer here that could provide some insights?
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 71 Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15887 times:
I think one of the things that Udo is getting at is that if it hadn't been the aircraft registered N14053, the flight might also never have made the news... there's far too much "in print" going around that's truly speculation: the investigation isn't finished yet, and I think we should reserve judgement for when it is.
yes, AA and DL - just as CO - have long-term-contracts (well, actually, they don't: those were cancelled when Boeing and McDD "merged" - but the three airlines and Boeing seem to be staying quite close to what was agreed back then), but these contracts have limits: if I recall correctly, AA was looking at A345/A346s (maybe only to lower the price if they ever order B777NGs) and they could have ordered them, because they were above the set weight limits... if they're above, then the A380 would definitely be above it.
Nonetheless, I seriously doubt that and one of those three airlines are even thinking about negotiations concerning A380s.
I would really like to see it in UA or NW colors though...
Smile - it confuses people!
25 Scbriml: UPS wants to cancel planes for which Airbus has completed the procurement cycle. Do you think that's really the case? Those A300s are not exactly bein
26 Ha763: It is most likely a package carrier, whose business is based more on volume like UPS and FedEx. I doubt Polar or Atlas would be considering the A380 a
27 Solnabo: Halleluja!!! Let the orders roll in Mike//SE
28 Fjnovak1: I believe Delta will order a few to compete with Indy Air on the IAD-ATL route...
29 Fiedman: As I recall FedEx is the launch customer of the A380 freighter version. In my personal opinion I think UPS is going to wait to see how it does in the
30 QantasA332: That [A300] should have never came apart the way it did. There has been much speculation that had 587 been a B767 it would would not have failed. Is t
31 Hz747300: It was flight AA587 - not AA586. My bet is on DHL/Airborne!!!!! From a passenger prospective, the A380 makes the most sense for AWA carrying ASU sprin
32 L.1011: Isn't it odd how the 7E7 has been out for like a month and a half and has nearly half the orders of the A380, which has been out for something like 5
33 Aerosol: It is not so odd if you compare the orders concerning $$
34 SafetyDude: Outside of the cargo airliines, NW would be the only airline with a remote chance of ordering the A380 (for now, at least). -Will
35 Roberta: No doubt US airlines will be put under pressure when foreign airlines begin competing on their routes with the A380. They could reduce prices and/or i
36 Dynkrisolo: No doubt US airlines will be put under pressure when foreign airlines begin competing on their routes with the A380. Then can you explain why many Eu
37 Planemaker: Some A380 promo hype (extracted) brought up in ATWonline by Airbus re. hub and P2P asia traffic: 1998-2003: only one new route was launched between To
38 STT757: No big 6 US Carrier is ordering anything save maybe Regional jets like the ERJ-170/190 for the next couple years, as mentioned several times the only
39 Backfire: Daydreaming, I know - but just imagine how beautiful an A380 would be in American Airlines colours I'm going to break my policy of not commenting on a
40 FoxBravo: 1998-2003: only one new route was launched between Tokyo Narita and a secondary N. American city (Houston) while four were suspended (Narita to Calgar
41 F4N: To all: The only chance Airbus has of an A380 sale to a US carrier in anything bordering on the near-medium term is UPS; none of the US carriers with
42 Workbench: I heard that TED will also order some. They will have over 600 seats in a super high density seating. And they will be bright orange.
43 Kcrwflyer: "It is independence air securing options for 2008 delivery" --------------------------------------------------------- "........... to compete with NWA
44 Ushermittwoch: "Then can you explain why many European airlines like LH and BA still use a lot of 747s across the Atlantic, but US carriers like DL, UA, and AA are u
45 YUL332LX: Back to the topic, UPS is the most likely. As for NW, that would be a looooong shot!!!
46 Roberta: Then can you explain why many European airlines like LH and BA still use a lot of 747s across the Atlantic, but US carriers like DL, UA, and AA are us
47 Dynkrisolo: Most US airlines are run very inefficiently. Debatable, some may agree, many won't. And to top it off, most people would prefer the European service,
48 RT514: Isn't it odd how the 7E7 has been out for like a month and a half and has nearly half the orders of the A380, which has been out for something like 5
49 Nosedive: Though I do not dispute the claim that NW is looking at the A380, I somehow doubt that these planes will see PAX service. I wonder if NW is looking at
50 Jblake1: UPS will not be purchasing the A380 since their largest hub in the United States SDF (Louisville, KY) airport has no plans to upgrade their facilities
51 Adria: I doubt that any passenger version of the A380 will be sold in the US, they should be thinking how to survive. But then the US government will probabl
52 YUL332LX: Most US airlines are run very inefficiently. Debatable, some may agree, many won't. We could argue a long time about US airlines's efficiency but one
53 Squad55: There was an article in our internal website (UPS) stating there are no plans on ordering any A380's. It states our current fleet arrangment fits our
54 Squad55: Also I think the topic of this thread is very misleading. How is it a shocker that Airbus is in talks with US airlines for A380's. Airbus can talk all
55 N766UA: A shocker that Airbus is talking to US airlines? Gimme a break. When a major US airline buys 50 of them, that'll be a shocker. Otherwise, just busines
56 Roberta: Hmmm... Why are you conveniently left out the 767? because most of the routes operated by US 767's will be operated by A330/777's by their European ri
57 Sabenapilot: Isn't it odd how the 7E7 has been out for like a month and a half and has nearly half the orders of the A380, which has been out for something like 5
58 Aussie747: I can't help but think would UA have ordered the A380 at about this point in time if it were not in Ch 11? It could benefit from it's synergies with t
59 YUL332LX: I don’t think commonality is important in this case. UA does not operate 330/340 and pilots won't jump from the A320/319 to the A380...
60 Dynkrisolo: because most of the routes operated by US 767's will be operated by A330/777's by their European rivals, not a 744. US airlines have been using the 7
61 YUL332LX: US airlines have been using the 763ER to replace the 747 on the trans-Atlantic flights since 1986. The 772 wasn't available until 1995. So, US carrie
62 Dynkrisolo: Not really. To replace earlier versions of the 747, they have used the DC-10/MD-11 more than the 763ER. That's not what I was referring to. I was tal
63 Nosedive: Have they still not understood the A380 is a plane, built to complete the product range of Airbus by giving the leading plane manufacturer a top produ
64 Roberta: Care to check the schedule? I believe no airlines have more than one daylight flight from JFK. All the other flights leave JFK in the late evening wit
65 Eastbay: My guess is that VirginUSA will operate a fleet of 380's SFO-LAX hourly
66 YUL332LX: Nosedive, Interesting post but following your reasoning, the 767 and the 744 are competitors right now! Do you think US airlines, or any airlines for
67 MMEPHX: Could it be NW to replace/supplement the 747 freighters they have??
68 Dynkrisolo: who cares Dynskrisolo all i said was ... Airlines flying the A380 will benefit from lower seat per mile costs and will therefore be able to charge lo
69 Usairways16bwi: usairways could sell all of their planes and get 10 A380's! LOL. yea right
70 N670UW: Airlines flying the A380 will benefit from lower seat per mile costs and will therefore be able to charge lower prices or offer more seat space. This
71 ConcordeBoy: AA was looking at A345/A346s (maybe only to lower the price if they ever order B777NGs) AA allegedly placed an LOI for A345 at the Asian Aerospace 200
72 Nosedive: YUL, the 747 and 767 aren't "competitors" b/c of range and CASM. The 762 can do LHR-CGK nonstop, as implied on boeing.com, a flight of about 11722km.
73 Xaphan: I vote for UPS, tho NW might be a possibility. SDF has a massive UPS cargo facility that is almost brand new and there is still some room for expansio
74 Sabenapilot: Dynkrisolo, Airbus chose to invest in the 380. Boeing could invest in a 380 equivalent, but they didn't and chose to invest in the 7e7. So, it's a val
75 Roberta: Sorry bub, but Dynkrisolo is correct on this point, with history (alongside fact) to back him up. If lower seat cost were the say-all-to-end-all, you'
76 Lehpron: >> "Isn't it odd how the 7E7 has been out for like a month and a half and has nearly half the orders of the A380, which has been out for something lik
77 NWA742: Airbus recently invested in multiple market segments to create a homogeneous modern range of products Right, and Boeing hasn't? Forgetting the 717, 73
78 Roberta: NWA742 you have just demonstrated a textbook way to begin an A vrs B war.........Congratulations. May I ask if you work for an airline and witness all
79 NWA742: NWA742 you have just demonstrated a textbook way to begin an A vrs B war.........Congratulations. Actually that would be Sabenapilot with his anti-Boe
80 Lehpron: >> "Actually that would be Sabenapilot with his anti-Boeing ranting..."
81 Roberta: BTW the 737NG isn't even FBW. Doesn't need to be. To be more "technologiacally advanced" like you were arguing it does but as i say operating costs ou
82 Dynkrisolo: Airbus recently invested in multiple market segments to create a homogeneous modern range of products starting with a 100-seater (A318) and completes
83 Roberta: Not difficult at all but given the A380 should be about 15% more fuel efficient per seat than a 744, then add that to your 10% figure (772 vrs 744) th
84 EAL757: the comment was made earlier that with 58 fewer planes, UPS does more volume than FedEx. Interest concept, but are you counting feeder jets? Geez, Fed
85 Adria: ...........And what synergies would that be? Other than cockpit resemblance, there isnt much in common between the two; and do you seriously think tha
86 Upsmd11: UPS has always been a more financially fit company than FedEx, hands down. I do not know about the volume, but I would think they are almost neck to n
87 Scorpio: Aah, I see that NWA742 is up to his old ways again... How I loved the days when he threw his standard hissy fit on 90% of the threads in which Airbus
88 RayChuang: I think what might be happening is that FedEx might be negotiating for additional production slots for the A380-800F in addition to the firm A388F pla
89 YUL332LX: The argument I'm having with Sabena is strictly this, he thinks Airbus offers more modern and advanced aircraft than Boeing in every category but one,
90 NWA742: No bud that would be you, Sabenapilot was not firing at anybody as you were. Lehpron, Sabenapilot was clearly firing off his anti-Boeing nonsense with
91 Gigneil: MDC developed the DC-9, Boeing modernized it completely with the 717. The only thing those two aircraft have in common might be some fuselage parts, b
92 BillElliott9: I think Nosedive is on the right track regarding NW and freighters...Of course this is based upon the premise that NW is the carrier showing interest.
93 NWA742: You're incorrect. Despite some alterations by Boeing, this plane is still the MD-95, a wholly MDC developed aircraft. Thanks for the correction. -NWA7
94 Roberta: Right, so if I'm not a professional CBA analyst, I can't comment. So, why do you think you can comment at this stage? I smell the word "hypocrite" her
95 Scorpio: I'm not throwing a hissy fit anywhere, I'd like you to point out where the hissy fit is. That's a joke, right? Your entire first post here, maybe? Up
96 NWA742: B) I dont care if you're Jesus, if you have never seen proper charts and figures on how the Aircrafts perform and reports on their relibility - not ju
97 AerMickey: I think it is Great Lakes. Just a hunch. Mick
98 Dynkrisolo: Not difficult at all but given the A380 should be about 15% more fuel efficient per seat than a 744, then add that to your 10% figure (772 vrs 744) t
99 Sabenapilot: Well I am back from my layover and I must say I am pleased to see so many of you taking up my defense against one frustrated guy with way too much fre
100 Udo: What a nice war! I won't reply to most of it but just to the B757/A321 issue. Well, B757 and A321 do serve similar markets...the B757 has slightly mor
101 Soaringadi: Reply # 48 ***** "Isn't it odd that you don't realize that the A380 is a niche aircraft while the 7E7 is not and therefore the 7E7 should sell in much
102 Roberta: Remember, the 777 has lower unit cost than the 767, and still the 767 is used more often on the trans-Atlantic routes than the much lower cost 747. An
103 Scorpio: I attacked Sabena's points, not him. Allow me to quote from your first post here: Stop with your anti-Boeing nonsense Sabenapilot, you're definitely t
104 UA744KSFO: How about USAirways for the PIT-PHL run? :P
105 Gigneil: And your point? His point, a very apt one, is that even if the 380 has lower unit costs there is no empirical evidence to support an inherent propensi
106 NWA742: Well I am back from my layover and I must say I am pleased to see so many of you taking up my defense against one frustrated guy with way too much fre
107 Roberta: His point, a very apt one, is that even if the 380 has lower unit costs there is no empirical evidence to support an inherent propensity for airlines
108 Scorpio: and not to be anti-Airbus, as you seem to ignorantly think. *cough* Come again? Don't seem to remember saying or implying that. Merely pointing out th
109 UA744KSFO: I'm laughing so hard at how anyone can get so passionate about this! If you guys really want to go at it, let's get some boxing gloves, and some belts
110 ConcordeBoy: well atmost airlines pilots fly the A32x one day and the A330/A340 the other Interesting lil' gem. So tell us, what airlines would these be? Name some