WindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1318 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1814 times:
I know Singapore Airlines operated Mumbai-Manchester nonstop and back until a few years ago. The flights originated and terminmated in Singapore of course. I'm not exactly sure if they had fifth freedom rights between India-UK. It would definitely be a route that I think needs to come back.
I'm all in favour of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with keyboards.
Ex_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1680 times:
SQ operated SIN-BOM-MAN twice weekly from 1995 to 2003 with fifth freedoms.
Before that, it was SIN-BOM-LHR from 1989 to 1995 also with fifth freedoms.
Before that, I think the fligth operated to AMS.
SQ is unlikely to reinstate the service. Their operations to Europe are mostly now point-to-point to attract sixth freedom traffic, fifth freedoms are much less important. I've also heard that giving up the fifth freedoms to MAN/Europe was one of their bargaining chips for more rights to India, but I'm not sure about the validity of that one. Perhaps Sean might be able to confirm or deny this one.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1672 times:
I've also heard that giving up the fifth freedoms to MAN/Europe was one of their bargaining chips for more rights to India, but I'm not sure about the validity of that one
Somewhat correct. The bilateral had a cap on the number of seats that each side was allowed to operate into India/Singapore. By running the 744 SIN-BOM-MAN twice weekly, SQ were burning an additional 600+ seats every week on a flight that didn't even take passengers to Singapore. Even worse, the transit passengers counted against their seat capacity. Hence BOM-MAN was axed when they decided to add BLR flights. However, immediately after that came SARS and BLR launch was pushed back to the end of summer.
All of this is a moot point now though with the ASEAN open skies deal that allows SQ daily flights to BOM/DEL/MAA/CCU and unrestricted frequencies to selected secondary airports like AMD (which will launch next month).