- Helvetic (the Swiss pseudo low-fare airline) load factors went up slightly in May: 34.6% compared to 31.6% in April and 33.8% in March, still a long way from the 55% breakeven and 70% target. The leisure routes are doing well, 95.4% to Alicante, 73.9% to Palma and 71.1% to Malaga but the business routes rather disastrously, 11.25% to Brussels and 26.6% to Vienna.
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Capital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 47 Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 9 hours ago) and read 3253 times:
How much longer will Helvetic allow the profits from their leisure routes be erroded by the terrible performance of some of their 'business' routes. It's not as though some of their routes are even close to breaking even. At the end of the day they are running a business, which means profitable routes must stay and the unprofitable ones must go, otherwise the future could be bleak.
Airways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 3224 times:
Helvetic is no longer flying to Brussels. The route was stopped in May due to the poor loads.
The Edelweiss ruomor is really interesting. Haven't heard about that before. Is that from an internal source? But where will Kunoi's passengers fly then? Will they increase the partnership with Belair? Could there be a cooperation with Lauda Air?
By the way, is there some kind of cooperation with Novair at this point? Novair is also part of the Kuoni group, as Edelweiss.
Speedbird747 From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 123 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3095 times:
Maybe Edelweiss will just get rid of the actual A330 and lease another one. They are paying 700'000$ a month as leasing rate. Currently, there are other A330's available at 410'000$ a month. We'll see what happens.
Flyalot From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 71 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3091 times:
Just a thought about helvetic.... why don't they serve Geneva??? I understabd that having an aircraft based in GVA will not be profitable but they should think about it.... As ALC and VLC are very popular destination for them.. they should CXL one of their "business" dest. and fly something like ZRH-ALC-GVA-ALC-ZRH or even better ZRH-VLC-GVA-VLC-ZRH... don't forget that the america's cup will take place in VLC and Alinghi is based in GVA....
Jbangert From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 75 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2939 times:
Helvetic have no plans to serve GVA, at least this is what they told me in answer to my e-mailed question.
As to GVA-VLC, FlyBaboo will be serving this destination as of 26 June, however, once a week only, hopefully the beginning of a more frequent service in the future.
There must still be potential for a GVA-Alicante flight (judging by Helvetic high loads on this destination and based on the relatively large Swiss residential population around Alicante and the professional traffic of trademark people between WIPO in Geneva and the European Trademark office in Alicante). Ditto for GVA-Seville in view of the sheer population of Seville and its developing industrial importance. I flew both destinations several times with Crossair before they discontinued these flights and the planes were always reasonable full. Why not a GVA-Alicante-Seville-GVA flight to start with? Helvetic could have done it, however, as they are Uniquely focused on Zurich, we may have to rely on FlyBaboo to develop such connections out of GVA.
Flyalot From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 71 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2889 times:
Yes we are lucky that Flababoo is taking the GVA-VLC. Unfortunately they will serve it only one a week on saturday which make almost impossible to use it unless you are going on vacation for 1 week... but no business of week-enders can take it ! At my point of view they should have started with a 2 weekly service like THU-SUN for exemple... so that they would have atteracted more people.... time will tell...
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4450 posts, RR: 74 Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2873 times:
The leasing company which owns Edelweiss' A332 is not likely to encounter any problems in remarketing the aircraft to another operator. As far as I know there's not a single A332 that's currently parked and there's a couple of airlines that would be more than interested to consider the likelihood of adding an A332 airframe to their fleet. Malaysian and Etihad are just two that come to mind.
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 35 Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2829 times:
It is quite surprising. But they just say they cancel the current contact where they have to pay a monthly 700'000 USD leasing. They didn't say that they would lease another plane, isn't it?
Is there also a possibility of a stronger cooperation with Belair on long-haul flights?
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FoxDelta From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 124 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2709 times:
FlyBaboo might not be able to fill their planes on flights GVA-ALC/VLC/SVL due to payload restrictions. Also it is expected that Iberia (via Air Nostrum) will fly VLC-GVA in the near future due to America's Cup in VLC in 2007.
Jbangert From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 75 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2609 times:
FoxDelta: why should there be payload restrictions on Spanish destinations out of GVA? Can't the Dash 8 make it with at least a full pax load to ALC or SVL?
It would be good news if IB/Air Nostrum were to open VLC-GVA, hopefully at a higher frequency than FlyBaboo. Hope this new flight is not relying too much on traffic generated by the America's Cup in VLC as it is a temporary event due to take place in 3 year only!