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CX Back In Zurich?  
User currently offlineLX001 From Austria, joined Jun 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3236 times:

Does someone know if Cathay will come back to Zurich? All mayor Asian airlines come to Zurich, except Cathay?!
Regards
Bruno


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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

I wonder if you also put Asiana, Air China, Garuda, Vietnam Airlines etc. into the category major Asian carriers.

I don't think CX will come back to ZRH in the near future. They even closed their office in ZRH several month ago.



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User currently offlineLX001 From Austria, joined Jun 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

I meant Malaysian, SIA, Korean, Thai; Of course there are other important airlines too... Next time I will express my question more exact  Big grin



User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

No worries LX001. I assumed what you would mean ...  Big grin


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User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

I don't think CX will fly to ZRH in the near future. Maybe if Swiss dissapears from the HKG route, but otherwise...  Wink/being sarcastic

regards, Florian



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User currently offlineSpeedbird747 From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

ZRH is too expensive (taxes) for CX... That is why they closed it down. Don't think that they'll be back in the near future.

User currently offlineChrisZRH From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 423 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

I don't think the taxes are the reason... i still think CX will return one day, cause the LX ZRH-HKG is doing very well with load factors


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User currently offlineJbangert From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

Perhaps CX should consider flying to GVA instead (where some of the traffic from ZRH originates anyway). This would offer an attractive alternative out of GVA. With its numerous international institutions and HQs, GVA has a potential that has been neglected by Swiss(air) for a number of years and that others may wish to tap into.

User currently offlineBuckfifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1316 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Nope, ZRH is indeed too expensive. There just isn't enough traffic to justify CX going back there. The crewing and ops would be a huge expense that CX will no longer be able to justify in today's climate.

GVA is even more of a pipe dream.


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

ZRH-HKG is a lucrative market, because on these longhaul flights there are not only people from ZRH area but also from BSL and BRN etc.

Take the economical power of the "magic triangle" (ZRH,BSL,BRN) and you have one of the most powerful economical areas in the world, with strong links to the Asian markets.

There should definitely be more than one carrier operating on ZRH-HGK.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

CX doesn't need to operate it, they cooperate with LX on the route.


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User currently offlineSupersonic78 From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Dear chris, i really want to know where you got the information from, that the LX route to HKG does well ??? for several weeks now they are not able to fill the half of the A340 ?!?!?!?! imagine if there would be CX too !!!

and CXA330300, LX has no cooperation with CX on the ZRH-HKG route !


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

I remember reading (back in 2002) that Zurich only get three daily 744 flights. Besides SQ, who else uses the jumbo to ZRH?


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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24926 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

Not too sure if there is enough demand for that flight. No offence but Switzerland is a small country


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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6597 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

At the moment, Cathay are desperate for more crew and more aircraft and when we get those, there are going to be much more important places to put the aircraft on rather than a potentially loss-making ZRH flight. We need to go double daily SFO, triple daily LAX, maybe double daily to AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA and CDG. The development team constantly look at new destinations and ZRH is one they will definately be looking at, but I highly doubt it is a priority.

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

GKirk
If your theory with a"small country" would be correct. I wonder how to explain, that TG and SQ both have daily operations into Switzerland. During Summer even JL has daily ops. Other carriers flying into ZRH are UL (5 weekly), MH (3 weekly). Till now, we only have been speaking of carriers from the far east.
There are different reasons. One would be, that Swiss people travel quite a lot. It is an important market place and it would be ideally located as a transit point as the country is in the middle of Europe.



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User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2636 times:

oh yes, you have to put Vietnam Airlines in there, my basic rule of thumb is if they have consistent international routes between continents, with a good mix of long range aircraft, like the 777, then they should be put into that category....orient thai, has 747's but right now is just operating within asia.




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User currently offlineSupersonic78 From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

dear swissgabe, believe me, we really wonder too why TG and SQ and even JL, are operating with the 747, as they fly more or less empty most of the time...

User currently offlineSpeedbird747 From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

as they fly more or less empty most of the time...

I thought SQ had quite good loads ex ZRH... I might be wrong though.


User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

I thought SQ had quite good loads ex ZRH... I might be wrong though.

Actually, ZRH is a bit of a funny market for SQ. There is a fair bit of higher yielding premium traffic, and in order to cater for these folks, SQ made ZRH daily when it was in the Global Excellence alliance with SR. However, with this extra capacity came new seats to fill, and SQ had to drop prices pretty drastically to get bums on seats. So, their traffic is a mix of very high yielding traffic and people who purchased tickets at rock bottom prices.


User currently offlineAirways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

What about belly cargo? Freight does certainly help to achieve a good result on these flights.

Michael


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

B747-operators to ZRH are:
SQ: daily
JAL: daily during summer, mix of MD11/B744/B772 (starting this summer)
TG: daily, Mix of MD11/B744
KE: 3-weekly, mix of A332/B744

Just for clarification, Asian carriers at ZRH are:
- Emirates (Daily, A332)
- Malaysian (3-weekly, B772)
- Singapore (daily, B744)
- SriLankan (5-weekly, A332/A343)
- Japan Airlines (daily during summer, MD11/B744/B772 starting this summer)
- Korean (3-weekly, A332)
- Qatar (1-weekly, A320)
- Royal Jordanian (2-weekly, A320)
- Thai (daily, MD11/B744)

Hope, I didn't forget any  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Cheers
Gerardo



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2248 times:

Supersonic78, if you're gonna make statements like

i really want to know where you got the information from, that the LX route to HKG does well ??? for several weeks now they are not able to fill the half of the A340 ?!?!?!?!

may I suggest that you get your homework done first? I opened my CRS and picked a random Swiss flight on the Hongkong route this week, and here's what it shows:

HKG ZRH 18/2325 19/0610 LX139 F0 A0 J1 C0 D0 I0 Y3 B3 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 SC NC QC OC [343]

Doesn't look like half empty to me. As a matter of fact, it pretty much looks like that flights will go out 100% full.

Here's another one:

believe me, we really wonder too why TG and SQ and even JL, are operating with the 747, as they fly more or less empty most of the time

And just a couple of random 'half empty' flights later this week:

SIN ZRH 18/2345 19/0630 SQ346 F1 P1 A1 C0 Z0 J0 D0 S0 Y2 E2 B2 M2 W2 H2 Q2 N2 V2 L0 K0

BKK ZRH 18/0030 18/0710 TG970 F0 A0 P0 C0 D0 J0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 T0 K0 S0 V0 W0 [744]

So, if youre gonna make statements like that, please back them up with facts and leave the hearsay as well as your own wishes out of it. There's plenty of professionals on this forum who will give you a hard time over statements like yours.

I'm convinced that respectable airlines like SQ employ plenty of people who are far better placed than you to determine whether their daily Zurich run still makes commercial sense, so unless you're sitting on relevant information, please refrain from making comments like the ones above because they fly in the face of the reality out there.



User currently offlineSkycruiser From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

HB-IWC,

Which CRS are you using?

Thanks


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Supersonic78/HB-IWC
well, having poor loads during MAY/begin of JUN is nothing unusual at ZRH. during end of JUN/JUL/AUG, even SQ, TG and JL are FULL. We should not compare low- with high-season flights.

Gerardo,
just a small correction: QR will operate 319LR and not 320.



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25 Unique : To go back to the topic question: CX will not be serving ZRH in the near future, i.e. the next 5 years. Even though CX is doing well with cargo (their
26 Post contains images Gerardo : Da....d, I knew it.. Thanks for the info, Gabe! Regards Gerardo
27 Supersonic78 : Dear HB-IWC... may i just tell you that i am working as ground staff in ZRH... and i'm normally on late shift, so it's often me coordinating the board
28 Post contains images Supersonic78 : Yipiee.. after several weeks lx138 has a seat load factor of 92% tonight !!! so lets hope the summer months will bring even more
29 ChrisZRH : wow nice! How is F-class doing on these flights? i had a look at LX40 from Wednesday I think and F-class was 8 booked!
30 Post contains images Supersonic78 : tonight we had first full (8) and the bookings for juli are incredible LAX First was as well fully booked today (8)
31 FRAspotter : Why doesn't JAL fly to ZRH, I think that would be a good route, they have sooooo many 747's to use. I think JAL would also be considered a major asian
32 Supersonic78 : dear fraspotter, JAL flies to ZRH, with MD11, 747 and soon with 772
33 Swissgabe : FRAspotter during high season JAL flies daily into ZRH. during winter they normally have 2 flts to ZRH. quite a mixed timetable ...
34 Hb-iqa : Supersonic78: I suggest you do not continue giving out confidential loading data to all and sundry. It is against company policy and could get you int
35 Post contains images Supersonic78 : sorry hb-iqa, you are right.. i will shut up now, as i like my job
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