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User currently offlineMia777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2002, 1165 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

Now that AA is opening up MIA-MAN, is there any chance any British airlines may try to compete? Or is there not enough traffic....I haerd rumors of BMI possibly starting up a flight, but is there any chance at Virgin maybe doing MAN-MIA? Is Orlando too close? Thanks.

Ryan Kaskel - MIA


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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Very interesting....well considering we have BA and Virgin already, it would be nice to have an A330 BMI Bird on our turf...would look great anyway.



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User currently offlineAirliner777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

Oh man! It would be beautiful to have BMI at MIA soon!!  Smile

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

I hardly think Virgin would want to start flights from Manchester to Miami, when they're sometimes struggling to fill an A340 from Heathrow. VS would much rather fly to the Caribbean from MAN.

BMI, don't think so. They only have 3 or 4 A330's and they already operate to Washington, Chicago and Toronto. And they are starting flights to the Caribbean this winter. So i doubt you'll get them either.

And leave BA out of the picture. They have clearly stated that they are basing their long haul network around Heathrow and the only reason they are not operating every long haul out of Heathrow is because of certain restrictions and slots etc.

So, in answer to your orignal question

Now that AA is opening up MIA-MAN, is there any chance any British airlines may try to compete?

No  Big grin

-Stephen


User currently offlineKA501 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

AA Is starting Manchester Miami for 3 reasons I can see,

1) Its a huge American hub,

2) Cruises. There is a massive market in the UK for winter cruises

3) The daily Chicago flight is running at capacity,(as are all transatlantic flights from Manchester in the summer months) they have tested the water with a seasonal Boston service which is also running close to capacity.

What I can't understand is that the market must surely be double the size or greater in the summer months so why not a year round service?

BMI had been rumored to be starting a Miami service in the past but it was always a none starter as Star Alliances presence at Miami is pitiful!

As for BA & Virgin both in bed with the British Airports Authority (London)!


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

AA could make the MAN-MIA flight year round, but they know what they are doing so must be some reason why its only seasonal


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

When does this service start?


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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2083 times:
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The reason why they'll be no BA to MIA is dead simple: AA is doing it! What BA will do is just codeshare the service (like the other AA services at MAN) given that AA could funnel traffic using that hub to Central America/Caribbean.

I'm not ruling out the prospect of VS doing MAN-MIA one day, but it will probably come about with them starting Caribbean service (and possibly Las Vegas) as they seem to be concentrating on predominantely leisure markets ex-MAN, with a JFK link going further away with any A340-300 fleet reduction.


Horus, it's November 1 or November 2 (depending on the side of the Atlantic you are on!)

David


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

Please do not advise BA to run more 763 flights across the Atlantic. The existing one to JFK gives a bad reputation to MAN now!!!! Leave the expansion to BMI (see ya Saturday), CO, US and VS, they got style!

User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6812 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

Is there something amiss when the biggest transatlantic presence at MAN is with PIA who have flights to JFK, ORD, Toronto and IAH?

As people have said, if anything it'll be a codeshare and BA only have one intercontinental flight that isn't from LHR or LGW and that's the daily MAN-JFK flight. There used to be MAN-LAX, MAN HKG and MAN-Pakistan, but all were dropped. Long long ago there used to be VC10 (or B707?) flights to Toronto alongside the VC10 to JFK.

I don't know about others but I'm perfectly happy to see overseas airlines operate out of MAN with the introduction over recent years of JM, BW, QTR, MH, CI (cargo), RB, WF, HLX to name a few. I have seen various rumours about Air India restarting, and Bangladesh Biman and Air Lanka/Sri Lankan starting. Unfortunately Air Mauritius came and went, along with Air Algerie, but markets change.

I do get the (possibly wrong) impression that airlines fly to MAN and other regional airports because there is a definite market whereas airlines fly to LHR or JFK, say, because of where they are and some feeling that you have to have a presence there because it's London or New York.

Andy



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

There is really no market for another carrier.

Virgin Atlantic: They were planning on MIA-MAN in the late 1980s, but it never came into reality. As for them "struggling" to fill MIA-LHR flights, that is a joke. They fill them very easily, which is why they use 744s and 346s, not the 343s. They recently acquired new LHR slots, which this summer are being used for more BOS/IAD flights. Some rumours indicate that those slots will be used for more MIA flights in the winter, since that is when MIA traffic is heaviest.

bmi: They were planning on launching MIA-MAN this year, but went with YYZ instead. In fact, it is because of bmi's decission to not fly to MIA that AA went ahead with MIA-MAN, because, as stated, this is a market that would likely not be profitable with two flights.

British Airways: One of the main reasons for the new MIA-MAN flight is that BA can place thier code on it, while AA and BA cannot codeshare on MIA-LHR. This is also a key reason for AA's BOS-MAN.



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

Why cannot not use with their codeshare with BA & AA to LHR?

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

Is there something amiss when the biggest transatlantic presence at MAN is with PIA who have flights to JFK, ORD, Toronto and IAH?


Transatlantic PIA flights do not originate in Manchester. At the moment, MAN is an ideal stop for them to refuel and recater on the way over the pond. It isn't as restricted or congested as London area airports and also has a healthy amount of local traffic to and from Pakistan.

There is really no market for another carrier.


The number of flights to and from the Orlando airports are also considerable ex-MAN, which mops up a fair slice of what local holiday traffic a Miami service would otherwise carry. AA will probably make it work with their MIA onward connections and good cargo volumes. There is potential to feed into the Caribbean and South American markets with the service.

It could well go year-round, as the BOS service is also looking a distinct possibility to go daily year-round too. That does open up T3 gate space problems.

BD and VS wouldn't be able to link into other carrier networks as effectively at MIA.


User currently offlineCKT523 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

Indeed PIA have alot of traffic through MAN daily over the pond, does seem as though theres something wrong when a foreign carrier can provide 3 or 4 daily trips wheres the national airline can only provide the one! What is the service/product like on the PIA services to the US? Their fares can be ridiculously low, so i was considering using them to JFK.Worth it?

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

PIA flights don't originate in Manchester to go transatlantic. They are carrying people from Pakistan going to the US and Canada and are generally full.

They could just as easily op through another airport.

As for the product...up front is supposedly OK but down the back is scary at times! The toilets are an absolute nightmare.

[Edited 2004-06-20 04:23:12]

User currently offlineCKT523 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

The flight do not originate in UK no, but they must have 5th freedom rights to pick up pax originating in the UK to the US?

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

You can't compare the PIA flights to BA because of that.

BA are happy to take passengers transatlantic from Manchester, or to anywhere in the world for that matter. They just need to go via Heathrow.

It seems to be totally over their head that passengers might not actually want to transit at Heathrow, but would prefer starting their longhaul at a less congested and friendlier point. That's why MYTravel, Thomas Cook, BMI/Air Canada, Air Transat etc are happily doing the Toronto run and BA are now totally out of the market.

Same with the eastbound traffic and MH/SQ/EK/QR, and the US traffic with CO/DL/AA/US/BD

Look at this week's LH ops to Frankfurt. A300s again. All that traffic isn't German O&D, it's students going home amongst others such as to India. BA are completely blind to just how much traffic there is going via Manchester and deliberately avoiding Heathrow.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1604 times:
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It took PK a year of negotiating to get 5th freedom out of MAN (and not all routes are covered!); the original block of flights had a tech stop at SNN to refuel only

David


User currently offlineGustyOrange From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

I was wondering if anyone had heard any rumours about AA introducing a BOS-GLA route following the success of the recently introduced MAN service.

BA could also codeshare on this route, as they do on the GLA-ORD route, which is apparently full all summer.

Apologies for going slightly off topic.

Cheers

Gusty


User currently offlineSpeedbirdegjj From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

BA (mainline) have no transatlantic services from MAN. The 763 serivce to JFK is operated by CitiExpress.

The service obviously sits outside of BACX's network and whilst there are no plans to cease operating the serivce there will be no further long haul routes ex MAN.


User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

Reading these posts, I can definitely see some good points. Their really is no need for another carrier to do MIA-MAN (although BMI would be great!). AA Will do fine, BA will codeshare and Virgin will continue with their 744's and A346'S from LHR.

I will keep saying it..What we need at MIA is Aer Lingus! hahaha



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

I will keep saying it..What we need at MIA is Aer Lingus! hahaha

They have been trying to get permission to fly to MIA for a while now, but have not been able to. Aer Lingus is only allowed to fly to five US gateways until a new US/Ireland air treaty is written.



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