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Controversy Over AA Flight 11 Departure Gate @BOS  
User currently onlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3783 posts, RR: 34
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8687 times:

The same guy that wrote "The Cleveland Airport Mystery" referenced by clickhappy in another thread brings us more compelling drama in "Flight 11 - The Twin Flight." (I'll post a link to it at the end.

Anyway, his whole conspiracy theory stems from the fact there were and still are conflicting reports regarding Flight 11's exact departure gate. Was it Gate 26 or was it Gate 32?

The transcripts seem to indicate Gate 32.

7:45:48 -- Ground Control 1: American eleven heavy boston ground gate thirty two you're going to wait for a Saab to go by then push back.

7:45:58 -- AAL11: After the Saab cleared to push, and we're gonna need four right today, American eleven heavy.

Source

Gate 32 was also reported by the Boston Globe on September 11.

One airport employee, who asked not to be identified, said the American flight left on time from Gate 32 in Terminal B, and that nothing unusual was apparent. The employee said airline workers learned almost simultaneously that there had been explosions at the World Trade Center and that air traffic control had lost contact with the American flight.

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But then a day later the story changed.

The American flight left from Gate 26 in Terminal B, and the United flight from Gate 19 in Terminal C. One airport employee said nothing unusual was apparent when the American flight left, and airline workers learned almost simultaneously that there had been explosions at the World Trade Center and that air traffic control had lost contact with the American flight.

Source

American Airlines Flight 11 had backed away from Gate 26 of Terminal B at Boston's Logan Airport and was rolling toward the runway for a six-hour flight to Los Angeles.

Source

The captain was John Ogonowski, a 52-year-old man from Dracut. His first officer was Thomas McGuinness, 42, of Portsmouth, N.H. Also aboard were nine flight attendants and 81 passengers, for a total of 92 people on the flight manifest when the plane pushed back from Gate 26 at Logan International Airport.

Source

On the one-year anniversary of the attacks, there still seemed to be some question as to what gate Flight 11 had departed from. The Boston Globe, who had originally reported Gate 32 wrote a story that began:

Sylvio Amorino, just off a flight yesterday morning, simply stood there in front of Gate 26, Terminal B, Logan Airport. It was 7:55 a.m. The 70-year-old realized that, one year ago, American Airlines Flight 11 had idled here.

Source

Meanwhile, another Boston paper reports that

At 7:40 a.m. today, about 200 American Airlines employees gathered at Gate 32 at Logan Airport, the point of departure for Flight 11 exactly one year before. They observed the anniversary with a memorial service for the crew and passengers aboard the hijacked flight, which crashed into the World Trade Center in New York at 8:46

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An American Airlines passenger waiting to board a 7:00 a.m. flight from Boston to San Juan on September 11, 2001 describes seeing the plane come in from LAX at the adjacent gate and seeing about 40 passengers get off and then she watched as the agents changed the signs at the podium to read Flight 11 7:45 departure back to LAX. She sees some of the passengers begin to arrive for Flight 11 but then boards her flight.

http://911digitalarchive.org/stories/details/1820

The woman's story sounds legit, as there was an AA flight to SJU, Flight 1019 that was scheduled to depart at 6:55 a.m. It pushed back at 7:00 and took off at 7:14. That's probably the flight she was taking.

Flight 11 did come in from the west coast as Flight 198 and arrived at the gate 21 minutes ahead of it's scheduled 6:24 arrival time at 6:03 but it was from SFO, not LAX as the woman says in her story.

According to the on-time stats at the Bureau of Transportation, Flight 192 from LAX arrived 31 minutes ahead of it's scheduled 6:33 arrival time at 6:02 just as N334AA was arriving from BOS. Another red-eye from the west coast, Flight 138 from SJCwas supposed to have arrived at 6:01 but was an hour and fifteen late arriving at 7:16. It then turned around and opereated as the 8:20 departure to SJU, Flight 1971, and actually pushed back from the gate 11 minutes early and took off at 8:34 This flight would have been arriving at it's gate as her flight was taking off so that's not the one she saw.

Maybe she got the two mixed up? Or maybe there was a gate change announcement which came after the SJU pasenger had boarded her flight? Had the passengers originally checked in at one gate but then told to go to another to board their flight?

I'm not even going to begin to refute some of this person's wilder accusations regarding his theories about the discrepancies. I just want to know what gate did Flight 11 depart from at BOS on September 11, 2001?

BTW here's the link to:

Flight 11 - The Twin Flight

LonestarMike

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User currently offlineNwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 687 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8656 times:

This seems to me once again like media stupidity. There are always speculating reports in the media. We all know what experts they are on identifying aircraft types...


The New American is arriving.
User currently offlineNavairjax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8612 times:

Marked by an American flag on the jetway AA 11 departed from B32. The same memorial is in place at C19 where UA 175 departed.

User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

My money is on gate 32.

joe


User currently offlineMeechy36 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8427 times:

It had to be 32, 26 is a narrowbody gate only.

Mike-BOS


User currently offlineGnomon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8395 times:

How ludicrous. Like all so-called "conspiracy theories," this one fails to answer the most important question: To what purpose? Why would AA, the FAA, et al intentionally cover up what the author insinuates, if it were true: that hijackers "stole" N334AA from its gate?

User currently offlineJetRanger2000 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 8320 times:

Yeah, I always wondered whats the whole purpose of coverups in aviation-related conspiracy theories. I got a response from one tin-foil hat lunatic that said "The Republicans in conjunction with the Democrats wanted to test some new toys" WTF?

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8221 times:

They have a flag on one of the UAL gates at EWR's Terminal A, where flight 93 originated.


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User currently offlineShovelAirlines From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8164 times:

In BOS there are American Flags flying at Terminal B Gate 32 (AA flight 11 departure gate) and at Terminal C Gate 19 (UA flight 175 departure gate).
Why would there be any argument or dispute????????



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User currently onlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3783 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7938 times:

Thanks for all the info. I think I figured out the problem. The media is confusing Flight 11's departure gate from BOS (B-32) with Flight 77's departure gate out of IAD (D-26)

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7926 times:

Does the gate the flight departed from actually change the outcome of that fateful day? NO!


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7945 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7907 times:

Anyone got a picture of the lounge as it is now, with the flag? Is it really big (like some kind of memorial) or just a small gesture that you'd miss if you didn't understand it's significance?


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User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7818 times:

Immediately following 9/11, there was a flag raised above the departure jetway of UA93 at EWR (17 or 18 IIRC), but in the months afterward almost all gates had a flag over the docking "sleeve" on the jetway itself. I haven't really paid attention to what's on there now, I'll have a look when I'm back up there Friday.

User currently offlineNavairjax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7791 times:

Cedarjet,
In Boston it's a small gesture that you may not notice with the flags placed at the end of the jetway. I'd imagine that EWR and IAD are also set up the same way. I was informed by a UA f/a about the flags when arriving in BOS at C19 about 8 months ago.
Regards,
Sean


User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1061 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7715 times:

I was at EWR about two weeks ago picking up my grandparents who were arriving on UA from ORD. I noticed the flag on top of A17 for my first time. I had no clue what the reason for that one gate to have a flag over it. Thanks for clearing that up.

User currently offlineRob2507 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7598 times:

It was gate 32.

"Transcripts of Flight 11 and Flight 175

Following is a transcript of the radio communications of American Airlines Flight 11 (AAL11) and United Air Lines Flight 175, which took off from Logan International Airport in Boston and then were crashed into the World Trade Center. The transcripts were obtained by The New York Times.

7:45:48 -- Ground Control 1: American eleven heavy boston ground gate thirty two you're going to wait for a Saab to go by then push back."


Online at the New York Times (registration required):
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/16/national/16TEXT-FLIGHT11.html?ex=1087531200&en=c92b3f5defdb3ec1&ei=5070


User currently offlineAmerican762 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7270 times:

I'd have to go with 32 as from the looks of maps I've looked at, 26 is way too small for a 762.


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