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Delta's Pre 9-11 Practice Of Taxiing W Door Open  
User currently offlineKBUF737 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 779 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

Pretty self explanatory topic but why did Delta, the only airline that I know of that did such a thing, taxi with the cockpit door wide open. I noticed this on many Delta flights that I took. I was even on a TPA-ATL flight where the cockpit door was open during cruise for about 10-15 mins. Just seemed like a strange practice to me, yet it was cool because you could see everything going on during taxi.


The tower? Rapunzel!!!!!!
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User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

NW did this as well, and also kept the curtain b/w 1st and coach open. I remember NW F/A's mentioning that they did this for "safety reasons." My guess is that NW, and probably DL, thought that if a problem arose in the cabin, the F/A's would have quick access to the pilots.

User currently offlineKBUF737 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Interesting how things reverse themselves.

Do any airlines even have curtains between classes now?

I know UA didnt when I flew them this spring.



The tower? Rapunzel!!!!!!
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

I used to see it done all the time on DL...open till right before you get on the runway....easier for crew comm, and to pass paperwork through at the gate and while taxiing...was nice to see their engine start procedures.

As for the door being open in cruise...probably because people just plain forgot. Remember, those doors were thin as paper...people knew it before 9/11, and knew they were more of a "privacy" thing than an actual security measure.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1064 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

CO now has curtains again between classes. The new curtains though are made of a mesh type material that can be seen through where as the old style curtains where solid fabric. In my opinion it is nicer than the rope that they used to use that gave the feeling that they were holding the cattle back in the pen.

User currently offlineAmerican762 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Back on an American flight from DFW-CUN the pilots left the cockpit door wide open until about 10 seconds before advancing power for takeoff.


Pan Am has a place of its' own. You call it the world, we call it home.
User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

I flew on Alitalia between Brussels and Rome and they had the door open during the flight... It was an A320.

User currently offlineJerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

I remember ValuJet doing this as well. I could see out the cockpit window from my seat, right up until we turned onto the active runway for take off.


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User currently offlineClrd2go From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2661 times:


The only times I've noticed this happening was on DC9/MD80 aircraft..I
saw it happen on Texas International, Continental, Frontier (MD80) and
Delta (MD80). Never saw it happen on any other aircraft.


Jim



What a long strange trip it's been
User currently offlineCMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Before 9/11, saw it done on majority of my America West flights.





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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

COEWRNJ

I was on a CO flight back from ORD to EWR on Sunday, they pulled the curtain across and put the rope across.

I presumed the reason for the rope was to stop cattle class passengers using the snob class bathrooms!



User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

a little off the subject but when i flew CAPE Air from TPA-RSW last year the pilot had the cockpit window open while taxiing and did not close it until right before take off..he then opened it again once landing at RSW...is there a certain reason for that?


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Alaska did this as well. I was fortunate enough pre-9/11 to be flying SFO-PDX, and while the F/A's were doing the safety brief, I was watching the pilots going through they're check list. I could even hear what they were saying, since my seat was that close. The F/A's closed the door, however, soon after they're safety brief. I did think it was cool, though, to see them run down they're check list  Smile

User currently offlineJtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

7E7,
The open window is for fresh air. It is nice to have that breeze coming through while taxiing, then close it right before takeoff since the air will start moving around once again when the aircraft is airbone.

Later,
J



Propeller, we don't need no stinkin propeller
User currently offlineAZFAN777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

I was on a Alitalia MD-80 from Milan to Catania in May 2002 and they had the door open until we turned on the runway to take off.

User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

on the subject of the curtains between first/coach....I thought they were removed as there had to be a clear view of the cockpit door throughout the length of the airplane (narrow bodies) Anyone know if this is right?

User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1878 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Are cockpit doors closed manually or electrically?


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Sorry, I don't get it; what is wrong with the curtains? Why some airlines are removing them from classes division?
LA still use them in every plane I've board after 9/11 (340, 737 and 767)

Regards, Arcano)(



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