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AA Super 80 Nose & Tail "fin"  
User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

AA M82 with black nose:

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AA M82 without black nose:

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why the difference?

AA M82 with "rectangle" tail fin

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AA M82 with "cone" tail fin

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why the difference?




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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2433 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

I would suggest you do a search. Both of these questions have been asked and answered numerous times in the past.


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User currently offlineVorticity From United States of America, joined May 2004, 337 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3643 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1560499/

For the tail



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Can't address the nosecose issue, but the subject of the different tailcone styples comes up all the time. Search for "screwdriver" tail and I'm sure you'll get some hits, including some recent ones.

In a nutshell, they went to the screwdriver tail for better aerodynamics...



User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1320951/4/

for the nose.



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5220 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3605 times:

At first, I thought it was a former TW aircraft, but the tail number denotes that it was delivered to AA.

On the one hand, I never understood why the MD-80s had black nosecones. I don't remember any other jet aircraft having a nosecone painted black.

On the other hand, my guess is that by not painting the nosecone, there is some cost savings, either in the cost of the paint, or the few pounds of weight saved.


User currently offlineHenpol747 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 588 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3463 times:


The tail is only a matter of aerodynamics, a way of reducing drag.

Cheers,

Henpol747



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User currently offlineAmerican762 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3417 times:

The nose may have something to do with Ex-TWA aircraft, as they had a black nose cone. Just a guess. No proof of this.


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User currently offlineNightFlier From United States of America, joined May 2004, 284 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

I checked the other forum and didn't see what I am about to say. This is not from my own knowledge but I was told once by a GulfStream mechanic the reason why some airplanes have there noses painted black is so that pitting in the nose caused by wind a debris can be seen quicker. But I also asked him about planes with a blended nose cone to match the rest of the paint on the plane? He told me that the manufacture can paint the nose cone to match the rest of the plane but a base color that stands out is painted underneath that top coat. He also told me replacing a nose cone can cost a lot of money but is very important when it comes to the radar system on the aircraft. He even mentioned how pitting in the nose cone, even when they are small can cause interference in the radar system. Maybe some one can back me up on this one, this is what the GulfStream mechanic told me.


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User currently offlineCAL From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 499 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

So another question here, Can a DC-9 be fitted with a Screwdriver Tail cone and would it help any??


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

So is AA getting rid of the black nose? I certainly hope not, because I think they look great with the black nose, and not so great without it.

Jeremy


User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

The non-black nose cones started as the TWA MD-80's came in. As for why some of the original AA 80's dont have the black cones I dont know.

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