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JAL Will Start Use Of B773 ER On July 1  
User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 19
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2004/q2/nr_040616i.html

This bird is scheduled to start service in 7/1.

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Good stuff.

Would love to see 'em order the 772LR for NRT-JNB, that'd be an interesting endeavor  Big grin


User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4027 times:


Who else is expected to receive 777-300ER's? How many of them...the Boeing site is a bit awkward in terms of its orders from which companies and numbers...ConcordeBoy, do you have this info or a way or getting it?
Regards



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2743 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Good to see, although it is interesting that it will take so long for them to build up the fleet (8 aircraft in 4 years). As a comparison, KLM received their first 777 in November 2003; they will received their 10th one by February 2005.

Also, ConcordeBoy, thought you might be interested:

First -200LR is l/n 504, for PIA, shop complete scheduled for 2/10/05, delivery set for Feb. '06. First -200LR delivery is l/n 521, for Jan. '06 delivery. Design now 80% complete.

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

...the Boeing site is a bit awkward in terms of its orders from which companies and numbers

it is  Confused

Air France 10

All Nippon Airways 6

EVA Air 4
EVA Air 8

GE Capital Corporation* 10
GE Capital Corporation 4

ILFC U.S.A.* 18

JAL International 8

Pakistan Int'l Airlines 3





*Among the leased aircraft are 6 for AF and 26 for EK


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

First -200LR is l/n 504, for PIA, shop complete scheduled for 2/10/05, delivery set for Feb. '06. First -200LR delivery is l/n 521, for Jan. '06 delivery. Design now 80% complete.


Thanks Hamster
Sad that they'll basically sit for 5mo before someone is ready to take delivery. Was always sorta hoping that someone (e.g., SQ when they inevitably toss those A345s) would step in and take 'em circa July '05




User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2743 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

"Sad that they'll basically sit for 5mo before someone is ready to take delivery."

They actually won't be sitting. As the first aircraft produced, they will be undergoing ground/flight/route testing to gain a supplemental operating certificate. All new derivatives must be certified with the respective governing bodies. Admittedly, it doesn't need to take a full year, but trust me, these aircraft will be busy.

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

C-boy:
I might happend they swap 345 with 772LR at SQ!
Who knows?



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

I am not sure about what happening with B772LR.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

As the first aircraft produced, they will be undergoing ground/flight/route testing to gain a supplemental operating certificate. All new derivatives must be certified with the respective governing bodies.

...of course I know that, but unless the schedules have changed (which could very well be the case), was not certification scheduled to be completed by July '05? Hence the statement.



I might happend they swap 345 with 772LR at SQ!

English please?


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2743 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

ConcordeBoy,

First flight will be sometime in March. Once this happens, it will be followed by a roughly 6-7 month flight test program, which makes certification either late Sept. or Oct. Still, a ways off from delivery in Jan. 2006, but not too long. Of course, I expect they'll also use one or both of these aircraft to run a number of sales campaigns, which will delay the flight test program. And of course, you know they'll be trying to break some records as well. . .  Wink/being sarcastic

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

I'm hoping it'll be at LBG during the show...

...while I realize that the A380 will most likely steal the show, I will be there specifically to see the 772LR.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3484 times:
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On which route will this new JAL 773ER be flying ?

Trans-Pacific ?

Australia ?

Europe ?


THX.



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2743 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

It will begin with regional training routes, IIRC NRT-HKG will be the first. Once those are done, the plan is to send them Trans-Pacific. Have not heard a specific destination.

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

And of course, you know they'll be trying to break some records as well.

I must admit I'm rather surprised that Airbus didn't attempt to go for the 772ER's record with those A345 thingies.

9M-MRA's record still stands

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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2743 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

I was as well. OTOH, there was possibly two things that stopped them: 1) they knew the A340-500 would be operating the longest non-stop flight in the world anyway, which is probably more meaningful anyway, and 2) any record they attempted to perform with the A345, Boeing would probably break in 2005/06 with the 772LR, so why bother?

Just some suggestions,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

Couldnt agree with you more.


There's buzz that they're working on some A345HGW fortification, which will allegedly make that aircraft "more comparable" to the 772LR's promised specs.

I however find it mighty droll that Airbus, the Grand Mistress of PR/Propaganda, refuses to advertise both it and the supposed A346HaddaGoodWhizgigging nonsense.


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

I imagine the 773ER will likely be Boeing's 'sleeper' aircraft. I don't think it's full potential will be realized by carriers for a few years...and then a flood of orders to replace 774's will appear.

Just speculation, but it's beat all it's initial performance quanties by a large margin...in fact, it appeared at one point, that Boeing itself was surprised at the aircrafts capabilities....

Not to denegrate what Airbus offers, the 340-600 will also evolve into a solid performer....


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

but it's beat all it's initial performance quanties by a large margin...in fact, it appeared at one point, that Boeing itself was surprised at the aircrafts capabilities

...and this is only phase-1;
wait until they take the GE90 over 120,000lbs  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

HAHAHA, ConcordeBoy, that will be a sight!!!!, has anyone tried standing behind it at full thrust????

Anyway, how does the GE-90 compare to an F-15 engine or a345 engine(blown away or just surpassed?)???



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

The GE90 is certified at more than twice the power of the A345's Trent500, and (in testing) has produced more than five additional tons of thrust on top of that.

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

I wonder if that 5 months or so will include a tour?

They did it with the 764 and 753 in recent years. There will be air shows to think of too, which stretches the time out between rollout and delivery.

Presumably the first frame will also need a refit after testing with the customer ordered cabin layout. It isn't really that much time between rollout and delivery to PIA. The second one isn't a consecutive line number so that will probably not go into build until the middle of the year at the earliest.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13739 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Rumour has it that it will fly to Singapore on 1 July 2004.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

They did it with the 764 and 753 in recent years

...in that case, probably all the more reason not to  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

I wonder if it will have that new J class of theirs.

As for NRT-JNB, that would be great. Or NRT-JNB-CPT (Cape Town rules!)



The sky is the limit as long as you can stay there
25 JAL : Super cool!!!! Any pics?
26 Post contains links and images Hamlet69 : JAL, So far, only one with the whole plane: View Large View MediumPhoto © Jet City Aviation Photography Singapore_Air, You are right, my mistake!
27 Roberta : (e.g., SQ when they inevitably toss those A345s) yes...in the year 2020
28 Post contains images Vorticity : They took the 777-300ER on world tour too. Geez those engines look rediculously huge It looks good though, nice picture.
29 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : yes...in the year 2020 I was talking about SQ cher, not the canning factory Hammy, when's ANA taking delivery?
30 Hamlet69 : ConcordeBoy, ANA's first aircraft is scheduled for delivery in Sept. However, their 2nd won't be delivered until April '05. Kinda odd. I'm also wonder
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