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If DL Went Under, Would ATL Lose Out Or Gain?  
User currently offlineKBUF737 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 779 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Now I know that this isn't likely, but say DL ended up declaring bankruptcy and going under. Would this be pretty harmful to ATL, or would it be more of a beneficial thing, as the airport would be much much less congested and i'm sure it would open the floodgates to both FL and other LCC's who would be dying to get into the ATL market. I'm sure B6 would jump back in there and maybe F9 and HP as well. So in the short run ATL might hurt, and sadly alot of people would be out of work in the ATL area, however I'm sure that in the long run a more diversified airport may help the Atlanta area.


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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

It would be DEVASTATING to Atlanta and the southeast economy, initially, and would take a while, if ever, to fully recover. Like AA in DFW or UA in ORD, there's no other carrier that can just "step in" and take it's place like nothing ever happened.

Another thing that hasn't happened is a Ch. 11 filing, and the remarks by Gerald Grinstein is a very public move to keep pressure, and even add to it, on DALPA to agree to cost cuts. Wheher that happens, time will tell.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6618 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Lose out.

First, you'd have thousands of highly compensated employees out on the street which would be damaging to ATL's economy.

As for the airport, I'm sure the LCC's would fill in on some major routes, but a slew of smaller markets would be gone. Most of the international flights would be gone too. Concourse E would be empty.


User currently offlineAvi8tir From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2790 times:
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Delta wont go under......ever


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

They would lose. Hugely.

Airtran would suffer for a bit, actually. Airtran would not be able to keep up with the resultant demand for services, and, as a result, would piss off millions of ATL bound travellers who wouldn't shake off the initial distaste.

Almost all major domestic carriers would need to add in widebody service in the short-term to carry all the stranded passengers, but, with DL's 600 flights a day gone and the skyrocketing fares, demand for travel would wane in the ensuing months.

In order for another carrier to pick it up and run with it, they'd need to have a huge fleet in the desert already waiting for reactivation and be able to assemble that in a few weeks. I suppose Northwest could pack up MEM and move it there, but again, the effort is huge and timeconsuming and the consumers will lose interest rapidly.

N


User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6201 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

"Almost all major domestic carriers would need to add in widebody service in the short-term to carry all the stranded passengers, but, with DL's 600 flights a day gone and the skyrocketing fares, demand for travel would wane in the ensuing months."

DL would not be gone from one day to the next... so there wouldn't be 1,000's of stranded pax.



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4405 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2735 times:
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Airtran would suffer for a bit, actually. Airtran would not be able to keep up with the resultant demand for services, and, as a result, would piss off millions of ATL bound travellers who wouldn't shake off the initial distaste.

If DL went under, there wouldn't be nearly as many people flying to/from ATL because it wouldn't be a hub anymore, thus they wouldn't need as many flights. ATL would become something like BWI and BOS is now, lots of different airlines with lots of flights to there hubs and a few flights to popular tourist destinations.



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User currently offlineCjuniel From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

First, while I don't wish any airline to go under, let's never say an airline is NEVER going under. I am sure many thought the same with Eastern and Pan Am, and where are they now.

Anyhow, it would be a DEVASTATING blow to the city of Atlanta. I think more now, than when Eastern went under. For those that think that Atlanta is just a connecting airport, THINK AGAIN. The O&D numbers coming out of Atlanta are HUGE. Atlanta is the headquarters of more Fortune 500 companies than any other city in the US with the exception of New York City and Houston (even higher than Chicago at last count, and they may have even surpassed Houston). While I wouldn't anticipate any airline would move in and create a typical "hub", I guarantee Atlanta would become a focus city for every legacy carrier remaining. Of course the likelihood that Delta will liquidate is minimal, but stranger things have been known to happen.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Right now people are thinking "Delta Air Lines going of of business, never going to happen". Of course if you would have said 15-20 years ago that Eastern and Pan Am would be gone in a few years time, people would have laughed at you; same is true if you would have said 5 years ago that TWA would be gone as well. Delta is faced with a crisis that is going to change the company and possibly Atlanta forever.

When you consider that to a small extent that Atlanta is still feeling the effects of Eastern's folding 13 years ago, the loss of Delta would be felt 20+ years down the road considering the magnitude of the company's presence in the state. With the airline being the largest single employer in the state, that's quite a bit of jobs that would be lost. AirTran could fill the gap by obtaining Delta's 738s if DL were to fold, but I'm not sure who would be filling in the widebody markets. I don't think AirTran would be willing to add anything bigger than a 757 to their fleet, so no 767s or 777s for them. I don't think too many airlines could come in and quickly turn Delta's old gates into a major operation, unless they close down another hub city to do it. I don't see someone like Southwest coming into ATL and taking over Concourse A ASAP if Delta were to fold.



User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

If DL were to disappear, US would be mighty happy at CLT.

I think NW is in a positin to move its hub wholesale from MEM to ATL.

Or CO would buy assets and take over at ATL, dropping DFW and CLE and beefing up CVG

FL doent have the planes to take over the place yet.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

I think Southwest would fly to ATL, but not majorly because its close enuff to MSY. You can bet FL would fill in all domestic flights flown by DL that the 737-700 can reach. I dont know about the rest, im sure its a huge blow, and lost of alot of employees.

Alex



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User currently offlineJfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3512 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Two words:
St. Louis!

Only much, much worse. Nobody would fill that gap in the near future.

PJ


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12113 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2544 times:
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Remember ATL survived after EA left town. It happened before and could happen again, if need be.


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

ACAFAN has it right concerning NW. They would move from MEM to ATL overnight if they could pull it off. After EA shut down, NW was considering that move but TW beat em to it only to have Value-Jet get revved up and forced TW back to STL to circle the wagons for the SW build-up.
Three airlines hubbing at ATL would not have worked and TW knew it. That's why they were the odd man out.
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