VH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 796 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3715 times:
I have spoken to a employee of Menzies who handle Emirates flights in Sydney, Melbourne & Auckland. They mentioned to me that Emirates staff have been advised that Emirates from 2005 may well be flying from Dubai via Melbourne & Auckland to San Francisco?
Also in Todays Australian Financial Review, a journalist (Ben Sandilands) stated that current rules would allow Emirates to fly from Auckland/NZ to JFK-New York, which they could probably handle with their A340-500's.
Interesting times hey! I am sure that any AKL-SFO service would be operated by either a B777-200IGW or a A340-500 (depending on aircraft availability?) as there B777-300 doesn't currently have the range? Also if it was to be a B777-200IGW, they might have to get FAA approval first as I understand only United have ETOPS/FANS approval on the Pacific with P&W powered B772's. I might be wrong, so will stand corrected if need be?
Cheers - BZF
Oh the article also stated that EK are now carrying huge amounts of cargo over he Tasman becasue QF & NZ are battling it out with smaller jets!
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Copaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3617 times:
My guess is that it will be on the A345. DXB-SFO service is due to start on Jan 1st. So, this, if it does indeed happen, will probably come after that. I would love to see this flight start. Lets hope it happens.
Chinaeastern From China, joined Apr 2004, 348 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3611 times:
they should do it via PVG, it's just not logical to fly DXB-MEL/AKL-SFO, PVG should be able to serve as a connection point. maybe EK is just doing the US extention as a separate service. i mean that we already have quite good carriers on the route to west coast of US, such as TN, NZ and QF, i originally thought EK would extend the services to a pacific island or south america
VH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 796 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3438 times:
There has been lots of talk about Emirates starting up a regional hub in Auckland, so perhaps this is part of their strategy? They would certainly put a dent in Air NZ's market share across the Pacific.
Time will tell!
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Philsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3408 times:
The Singapore government has signed an open skies agreement with Australia that allows beyond rights to the west coast from Australia. However, it seems as though the Australian govt is very reluctant to allow SQ to fly from OZ to the US. So, I guess, I find it very difficult to believe EK will be able to do the same.
I am sure the current govt, and rightfully so, will do whatever is necessary to protect the incumbent carrier.
Lufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3172 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3269 times:
Im sure you'd love to see EK flying from PVG to SFO, but I think that the Aust/NZ market is going to be more attractive.
Why? For a start, every seat is full on those transpacific flights. It's not easy to get on the the thing is a cash cow for QF.
I think NZ has to change or die(got to get profits out of those long hauls) and althought I absolutely love NZ catering!!! (one of the best out there) they need to add a few other touches to compete with QF. United also has got some catching up to do, particularly in economy compared to these two.
So my point. How many Chinese can afford, for leisure purposes, to fly to SFO? Sure, I know there is a HUGE business market, but those ppl are going to be locked into the frequent flyer schemes of the likes of United, Northwest and JAL, especially the non-chinese based part of the market. EK would need a lot of passengers originating in PVG to make it work. The Australia/New Zealand market, however, has a lot more ppl that can afford to buy that ticket that are paying for it themselves and less likely to think like those with the corporate accounts. Plus, it has a huge potential to get US tourists because they feel NZ and Aust are one of the safest places for them to go to at the moment. I doubt they're all that interested in ppl connecting from DXB in this case... it is access to a new market. That is what they are after.
Warren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1134 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3250 times:
I think the chances that EK will be allowed to carry passengers from PVG to U.S. West Coast will be about zero given that traffic rights are already given to US and Chinese carriers and subjected to government approval.
I can't believe Australia and NZ government and or carriers will be so generous in allowing EK to start service to the US as well.
PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1969 posts, RR: 24 Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3217 times:
I can't see EK operating a viable West-Coast operation to either Australia or New Zealand. While the F/J cabins are primarily O&D, the Y cabin is not. The Y cabin is going onward from MEL to ASP, AYQ, CNS. The Y cabin is going onward from AKL to CHC and ZQN. Further, going the other direction, the Y cabin is going to a myriad of cities in the USA. Unless EK has domestic partners on both sides of the pacific, they will be left carrying only O&D traffic, and there just isn't enough of that to steal from QF and NZ. QF and NZ have loyalty programs that will retain most of their best customers. What does that leave for EK? Only A.nutters get excited about flying a particular carrier, just for the sake of flying. But that's just my 2 cents.
Chinaeastern From China, joined Apr 2004, 348 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3003 times:
thx guys, i did notice the AUS/NZ market as i mentioned EK is really intending to do DXB-MEL/AKL and MEL/AKL-SFO separatly as two markets. i shouldn't have mentioned PVG, but it just came to my mind as it is geografically located on the way, maybe KIX would do it? BTW, Lufthansa: i'm actually more interested to see EK flying out AKL to US rather than PVG, as i'm based in MEL. but i don't really agree with u on the QF/NZ thing as i much prefer NZ over QF. and they are doing OK on the pacific while QF have to rely on all sorts of carriers like TN, SB, PA,FJ to compete with NZ, and NZ is changing, ordering new aircraft. For QF, look at what they've done at MEL!!!
Boysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 915 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2847 times:
some sense to this thread!
DXB to SFO direct is 8103 miles. An A345 would do this non stop, not go on a ridiculous long-winded tour of the Southern Hemisphere! Lets get real! For those who don't believe me SIN-EWR is 9534 miles and is a reality.
EK's schedules currently offer DXB-SFO via LHR and UA, the opposite way round the globe! Great circle mapper gives this at 8787 miles. Why would EK send their pax on a 7000 mile detour? THEY WOULDN'T because they know Pax wouldn't go for it. If EK are to serve SFO or LAX it would be direct
VirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 48 Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2812 times:
Boysteve - obviously routing passengers DXB-SFO through New Zealand wouldn't make much sense. However, if they were wanting to enter into the Aus/NZ to USA market, then it would. Emirates is making a huge push in the New Zealand market, so trying to compete on the routes to America really wouldn't surprise me. It would also provide them with a round-the-world flight...
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