Cx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 hour ago) and read 2201 times:
Really?? I guess it must be insider news, as they never said anything to MPO members. I better tell my friend to check on his F Class booking!!!
So I guess anyone got booked on F Class before will be degraded into J??
That is a shame as that means less options for me now to travel to HKG!
I wish they bring the 744 back to SYD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 687 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months ago) and read 2191 times:
Yeah. I think its pretty bad that they don't even announce it to MPC members. Heck, CX doesn't even have the seat map up.
Certain routes are now purely Business and Economy. If they are operated by the three-class aicraft, I think MPC get assigned to the First Class seats. I think the service is same as Business? I'm not sure though.
Cathay250 From Hong Kong, joined Aug 1999, 218 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2113 times:
Well, that's pretty weired that even MEL route got 2 first class servicesdaily campare to Sydney just one!! But i guess things will change especially after the launch of HKG NYC non-stop route on July 1st, coz CX888 seems will switch to A340, so it will be interesting to see where are those extra 744 go.
Cx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2006 times:
I am thinking of joining Star Alliance again (after all my status credits and miles have gone from AN!!). It is a possibility and SQ is cheaper than CX to HKG. However I prefer CX since I am a Diamons MPO and the benefits is pretty good and I am loyal to my home country!!!!hahahaha
Also CX has better routes to suit my schedule (eg. YVR/YYZ and LHR triple daily!!)
If i join Star Alliance again, i will join UA's mileage Plus (actually I am a member already, just no points!)
Another problem with SQ is that they don't offer the proper F Class ( Suites) on all their flights, whereas, if I am book on a flight on F Class on CX I am ALWAYS 100% guarantee the suite product (only 1 F Class product in CX!!)
PresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 651 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1943 times:
Of CX's 15 A340-300s, 10 are loosing First Class. Not all routes served by A340-300s are loosing First Class.
AFAIK, the routes confirmed to be loosing F service entirely are:
In addition, Johannesburg will loose First Class for half the year, but, in the South African Summer season, the flight will continue to operate as a three class 747-400 flight (last year, the switch occurred in late October).
The 5 remaining 3 class A340-300s will be used primarily on the HKG-YVR-JFK flight (CX 888/889) and the daylight HKG-LHR flight (and one of the evening LHR-HKG flights).
In addition to the 5 A340-300s, First Class will remain on all of CX's 747-400s, A340-600s and on some A330-300s.
Long Haul routes current getting three class service that are unlikely to be affected at all by the A340-300 reconfiguration are:
Sydney (maybe some effect if extra frequencies are added)
Dubai (some frequencies)
Long haul routes already operating with two-class service:
Cx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1848 times:
I know that SYD-HKG-SYD are already using the 34D on Saturday/Sunday on CX100. But only for a short period of time (June-July??)
CX111 will be on 333 (Three Class)
CX100 will be on 346 for pretty much the rest of the year ( I checked my confirmed itineary last night).
But things happen so...
It is sad to see CX is departing from a all F Class routing to all Long Haul Destination. (Long Haul = > 8 hours)
But I guess people in YYZ don't really travel in high premium all the time (compared to SYD)
Cx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6449 posts, RR: 56 Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1822 times:
The 34D is designed for the long-thin routes where first class is rarely ever filled, but where business can be filled more easily. There are bound to be some people who are unhappy, but this will make more economic sense.
Cathay250 From Hong Kong, joined Aug 1999, 218 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1759 times:
Have checked the online downloadable timetable.
SYD should be served with 2 333 in the long term after July, and not likely to get A346 since they will all put in NYC route.
And considering the Toronto, Amsterdam, Rome and Auckland route, you really don't need First class at all, since Toronto, Amterdam and Auckland are mainly supported by HK immigrant, so i suppose not too much very premium travels there, not sure about the Rome's situtation though.
B-HXB From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 745 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1723 times:
Actually CX picks up quite a few New Zealand - Europe passengers, not just ex-HKers (although if you travelled during the southern hemisphere summer you could easily be fooled into thinking that)
It also has nothing to do with J loads since the number of J seats are remaining the same but they are putting more Y seats in. I think it is about 48 or so - every report I've read says something different but it's in the 40~50 range. And during the school holiday season this does make sense, but most of the time Y is very seldom full (for AKL at least).
I agree that the 34D configuration sucks. But for SYD passengers take heart - at least you still have F service. AKL's lost it entirely and AKL-HKG is a much longer flight than HKG-SYD!
Aside: I read in the initial announcement via the internal company newsletter that some of the A34Ds would get the new A346 Y seats (the old Y seats being taken out to be used on the other aircraft). The original no. was 4 but that was for a total 15-plane wide 34D fleet. With that being scaled down to 10 I estimate that there are around 2 34Ds with the new Y seats - anyone know which one they are? And does anyone know what order the 34Cs are being/already have been retrofitted into 34D config?
Cathay250 From Hong Kong, joined Aug 1999, 218 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1620 times:
The downloadable timetable indeed the updated version!
And what it shows is in a certain date until mid of July, there will be mix of 333 and 34D, but from a certain date, (i forget that now but will post it there once i got home), which i remember should be around mid of July, it will be 2 333 flights, which actually make senses since MEL and SYD are the best market to put those 333 to. Since it has the range, the 3 class cabin, and economical. So chacnes are u will get 34D in the SYD for a while but in the future, u may only have 333s.
Online timtable actually showing EQV though.
Agreed that's a bit disappointing to elimite all the F-class on the AKL route, i think it's just not too hard for them to keep one of the daily flight with F.
Do it make sense to remove the F class?
Take the MEL route as an example, around 6200 AUSD for a F class ticket vs to 1500 AUSD for Y, then you trade off 8 f class for around 48 y seats given by B-HXM, you got a pretty good trade off from here.
And i quite believe for a conservative company like Cathay, they do it for reasons, and i believe one of them is the low yeid of F-class on those routes.