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User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

I just find out that CX is introducting the 34D configuration. They removed F Class on this airbus!

This is disappointing. I also discovered that they are using these 34D on some SYD-HKG routes and also AKL-HKG!!!

WHY?????

(Maybe because they always oversell J Class and F Class is 1/2 empty)

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User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Yep. This is pretty old news.

10 aircraft are expected to be converted into the 2-class configuration. 5 have already been reconfigured.

Why? Good question. Maybe First Class just doesn't sell.


User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Really?? I guess it must be insider news, as they never said anything to MPO members. I better tell my friend to check on his F Class booking!!!
So I guess anyone got booked on F Class before will be degraded into J??

That is a shame as that means less options for me now to travel to HKG!

I wish they bring the 744 back to SYD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Yeah. I think its pretty bad that they don't even announce it to MPC members. Heck, CX doesn't even have the seat map up.

Certain routes are now purely Business and Economy. If they are operated by the three-class aicraft, I think MPC get assigned to the First Class seats. I think the service is same as Business? I'm not sure though.


User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

this is SHI&

It gives me less choice to goto HKG now on F Class (QF only has 1 flight with F) and now CX only has 1!

Also will they bring the 744 back to SYD. I am getting bored with the airbus and the 744 is definitely more comfortable in the premium cabins!! ( I miss the Upper Deck!!)


User currently offlineCathay250 From Hong Kong, joined Aug 1999, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Well, that's pretty weired that even MEL route got 2 first class servicesdaily campare to Sydney just one!! But i guess things will change especially after the launch of HKG NYC non-stop route on July 1st, coz CX888 seems will switch to A340, so it will be interesting to see where are those extra 744 go.

User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

I think the 34D from SYD-HKG-SYD is only temporary. I check flights later on in the year and it reverts back to a 346

I know, why would you offer F Class to MEL instead of SYD!! (no Offence to our fellow Melbouners!)

I think the extra 744 will goto LHR as the pax are complaining about the 34C.

I prefer the 744 (Upper Deck New J Class) to 34C, 346 and 333 anyday!!!


User currently offlineStarG From Indonesia, joined Mar 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

If you don't mind stopping in SIN, and Star Alliance mileage, SQ still offers nice F class flights SYD-SIN-HKG.

StarG


User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

I am thinking of joining Star Alliance again (after all my status credits and miles have gone from AN!!). It is a possibility and SQ is cheaper than CX to HKG. However I prefer CX since I am a Diamons MPO and the benefits is pretty good and I am loyal to my home country!!!!hahahaha
Also CX has better routes to suit my schedule (eg. YVR/YYZ and LHR triple daily!!)

If i join Star Alliance again, i will join UA's mileage Plus (actually I am a member already, just no points!)

Another problem with SQ is that they don't offer the proper F Class ( Suites) on all their flights, whereas, if I am book on a flight on F Class on CX I am ALWAYS 100% guarantee the suite product (only 1 F Class product in CX!!)


User currently offlinePresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2116 times:

Of CX's 15 A340-300s, 10 are loosing First Class. Not all routes served by A340-300s are loosing First Class.

AFAIK, the routes confirmed to be loosing F service entirely are:

Toronto
Auckland
Rome
Amsterdam

In addition, Johannesburg will loose First Class for half the year, but, in the South African Summer season, the flight will continue to operate as a three class 747-400 flight (last year, the switch occurred in late October).

The 5 remaining 3 class A340-300s will be used primarily on the HKG-YVR-JFK flight (CX 888/889) and the daylight HKG-LHR flight (and one of the evening LHR-HKG flights).

In addition to the 5 A340-300s, First Class will remain on all of CX's 747-400s, A340-600s and on some A330-300s.

Long Haul routes current getting three class service that are unlikely to be affected at all by the A340-300 reconfiguration are:

San Francisco
Los Angeles
Vancouver
New York
London
Paris
Frankfurt
Sydney (maybe some effect if extra frequencies are added)
Melbourne
Adelaide
Dubai (some frequencies)

Long haul routes already operating with two-class service:

Perth
Brisbane
Cairns
Dubai (most frequencies)
Riyadh
Bahrain
Mumbai
Delhi
Karachi

Of course, any given flight on any givne day could operate with a 34D aircraft for operational reasons, even if the flight was sold as three-class.


User currently offlineCX773 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 365 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2090 times:

HKG-SYD route will be operated by A333 for both CX111 and 101 after HKG-JFK route starts.

User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Clarification:

I know that SYD-HKG-SYD are already using the 34D on Saturday/Sunday on CX100. But only for a short period of time (June-July??)

CX111 will be on 333 (Three Class)
CX100 will be on 346 for pretty much the rest of the year ( I checked my confirmed itineary last night).

But things happen so...

It is sad to see CX is departing from a all F Class routing to all Long Haul Destination. (Long Haul = > 8 hours)
But I guess people in YYZ don't really travel in high premium all the time (compared to SYD)


User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6597 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

The 34D is designed for the long-thin routes where first class is rarely ever filled, but where business can be filled more easily. There are bound to be some people who are unhappy, but this will make more economic sense.

User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

I guess so.....

I really hope to see a 744 in SYD!!! I really like the Upper Deck J Class.

I think MEL is having 2 333 service from now on.

When they first came out with the new J Class (on the 333) it was good, but now I experienced the 744 New J Class, I much prefer it!!!


User currently offlineCathay250 From Hong Kong, joined Aug 1999, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Have checked the online downloadable timetable.

SYD should be served with 2 333 in the long term after July, and not likely to get A346 since they will all put in NYC route.

And considering the Toronto, Amsterdam, Rome and Auckland route, you really don't need First class at all, since Toronto, Amterdam and Auckland are mainly supported by HK immigrant, so i suppose not too much very premium travels there, not sure about the Rome's situtation though.


User currently offlineB-HXB From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Actually CX picks up quite a few New Zealand - Europe passengers, not just ex-HKers (although if you travelled during the southern hemisphere summer you could easily be fooled into thinking that)

It also has nothing to do with J loads since the number of J seats are remaining the same but they are putting more Y seats in. I think it is about 48 or so - every report I've read says something different but it's in the 40~50 range. And during the school holiday season this does make sense, but most of the time Y is very seldom full (for AKL at least).

I agree that the 34D configuration sucks. But for SYD passengers take heart - at least you still have F service. AKL's lost it entirely and AKL-HKG is a much longer flight than HKG-SYD!

Aside: I read in the initial announcement via the internal company newsletter that some of the A34Ds would get the new A346 Y seats (the old Y seats being taken out to be used on the other aircraft). The original no. was 4 but that was for a total 15-plane wide 34D fleet. With that being scaled down to 10 I estimate that there are around 2 34Ds with the new Y seats - anyone know which one they are? And does anyone know what order the 34Cs are being/already have been retrofitted into 34D config?


[Edited 2004-06-18 07:25:40]

User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

I am pretty sure SYD gets 1 333 and 1 34D because I called the MPO service centre up to reserve a flight from SYD-HKG-LHR(Return)
and on both CX100 and CX 101 it is 34D.

I went onto the actual ONLINE timetable and it does say 34D:
CX110 SYD 08:50 HKG 15:00 SMTWTFS 333 0 09:10 ET
CX100 SYD 16:15 HKG 22:25 SMTWTFS 346 0 09:10 ET

I think the Downloadable version is out of date.


To be honest when J Class is > 40 is start to deteriorate (in terms of service, privacy, and the overall exclusiveness!! That is why I hate the 346. But I do prefer it than the 34D and the 333




User currently offlineCX 4ever From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

You're right B-HXB,

B-HXC, B-HXF, B-HXH are the retrofitted ones that have new seats.

And as of June 17, all of them have been reconfigured except B-HXD, B-HXE, & B-HXI.

There will be no reconfiguration work done on B-HXL, B-HXM, B-HXN, B-HXO. In other words, these will be the only 4 A340-300s that still have First Class cabin in service.


User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

OMG!!!! That means the chance of getting in F class is minimal!!!

Only 4 340??

It doesn't really make sense, I mean the some of the 333 should be converted to 2 Class, but converting so many 34C to 2 Class does not make sense???

Is F Class Yield really that bad????????????

Just out of curioisty, How many J Class cabins will there be in the 34D?? Will they retain the existing F Class Partition?? ( I think highly Unlikely?) Or make it like the stupiud 346, all in ONE!.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5310 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

B-HXI is surposed to stay 3 class for now aswell.

There will be no reconfiguration work done on B-HXL, B-HXM, B-HXN, B-HXO. In other words, these will be the only 4 A340-300s that still have First Class cabin in service.

These 4 aircraft begin leaving the fleet in late 2005, so the routes they will operate until then will be operated by another type once they leave the fleet.


User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Just out of curioisty, How many J Class cabins will there be in the 34D?? Will they retain the existing F Class Partition?? ( I think highly Unlikely?) Or make it like the stupiud 346, all in ONE!.

Here is the seatmap for you:
http://www.seatguru.com/cathay/images/Cathay_A340d.gif

SR 103


User currently offlineCathay250 From Hong Kong, joined Aug 1999, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

The downloadable timetable indeed the updated version!

And what it shows is in a certain date until mid of July, there will be mix of 333 and 34D, but from a certain date, (i forget that now but will post it there once i got home), which i remember should be around mid of July, it will be 2 333 flights, which actually make senses since MEL and SYD are the best market to put those 333 to. Since it has the range, the 3 class cabin, and economical. So chacnes are u will get 34D in the SYD for a while but in the future, u may only have 333s.

Online timtable actually showing EQV though.

Agreed that's a bit disappointing to elimite all the F-class on the AKL route, i think it's just not too hard for them to keep one of the daily flight with F.

Do it make sense to remove the F class?
Take the MEL route as an example, around 6200 AUSD for a F class ticket vs to 1500 AUSD for Y, then you trade off 8 f class for around 48 y seats given by B-HXM, you got a pretty good trade off from here.

And i quite believe for a conservative company like Cathay, they do it for reasons, and i believe one of them is the low yeid of F-class on those routes.


User currently offlineB-HXB From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

It took them three YEARS to put the new seats in... but less than three MONTHS to take them all out.

So much for changing configurations during "regular aircraft maintenance".


User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

I know!!!

I guess do they just put these seats in storage or just scarp it???

Cathay250
They are using the 346 from SYD-HKG later this year.


User currently offlineCathay250 From Hong Kong, joined Aug 1999, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

I also noticed they show A346 for SYD route later this year, but it will be very interesting to see who is going to fly the NYC route, or should 2 of them are enough for the route? I guess not.

And seems each of the first class suit costed quite a lot, not make sense to scrap it but intereting to see where they are put it to, since they are limited to Airbuses only.


25 Cx123 : I thought CX has 4-6 346 already?? I think that a 333 is NOT enough the serve the SYD-HKG route especially in peak season (NOV-DEC) I think CX can som
26 Cathay250 : Although i also heard many people perfer 744 then Airbus in F for CX, i don't see why 744 is so much perfered then Airbus. Reasons that i can think of
27 Cx123 : I think the 744 has more advantage, even in J Class because of the upper deck. The airbus is quiter, but for some strange reason the 744 does have som
28 Cathay250 : Thx CX123 I have to agree 744 is more beautiful to look at, and i do agree people from HK (well, at least those i know) feel happier when they know th
29 Jaysit : The only real advantage of First Class nowadays is that you have no one sitting next to you (that is if youre flying one of the premium airlines). Foo
30 Cx123 : Jaysit, the difference between F and J Class on CX is evident and really obvious. (I will agree with you on most US airlines) the food is a lot better
31 Carfield : Well, as a passenger, I like the Boeing 747-400, but the new Airbus A340-600s are quieter and just as good as a Boeing 747. For Y passengers, I think
32 Cx123 : Wow Really!!! I really hope they get rid of the J class slant beds and install Proper Flat Beds in J Class. I remembered when they first introduce it
33 Cathay250 : I also believe it makes sense that there will be another generation F/J class, or at least i think they should from the passenger view point. While ot
34 Cx123 : Actually SAA introduced a Complete FLAT seat that is forward facing and NON Angled (VS new Upper Suite = Angled Away from the window) But never heard
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