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Why Did Rafik Hariri Pick 777 Instead Of A340?  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7154 times:

Let me make it clear that this is a question based completely on a political standpoint and has nothing to do with Airbus vs. Boeing. Read on...

I was wondering, why the Prime Minister of Lebanon, Rafik Hariri picked the Boeing 777-200ER as his private jet instead of the A340-300? Lebanon and the Hariri maintain very very close relations with France.

Hariri visits France and meets with Jacque Chirac usually at least once a month. He has a mansion on the island of Corsica and I think he has a home in Paris.

With the many political and economic ties, you would have thought he would have bought Airbus.

Then again, there may be no reason at all and he simply prefered the 777 over the A340. I'm sure France wasn't too happy about his decision to buy Boeing instead of Airbus.







Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, the 108th richest man in the world worth $4.3 billion. He is the CEO of the major construction firm, Oger International.


Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Regards


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
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User currently offlineInitRef From India, joined Nov 2000, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7118 times:

So he knows that he has the biggest engines of them all .....

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7077 times:

It wasn't a Government purchase, so why should he have bought the A340?

Tony Blair owns a Chrysler Grand Voyager. He bought that with his own money too. Should he have bought a Renault (urgh!) because Britain is in the EU?

[Edited 2004-06-17 22:19:47]

User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7076 times:

Maybe he has taste?

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7070 times:

I think he´s got some kinda complex.
U know what they say about man and their machine.....*lol*

Mike/SE  Big grin
*joke*



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7066 times:

Could be for the same reason airlines do: more range & payload.


...either that, or he just wanted a bigger/faster/more-expensive ride than his neighbors  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7061 times:

The 777 has a wider cabin which might make it appealing from a comfort and payload aspect. It also has a higher cruise mach and greater range. Who knows.. maybe he thought it just looked cool.

User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7046 times:

Reading of just how France and Lebanon maintained a good relationship than its not about politics but more about the economics (purchase price and maintenance) and maybe the thrill factor???

Having flown both, by far 777 has much more impressive flying experience... This is nothing to do with the capability of the A343, but being an aviation enthusiast its just not a fun plane to fly on.

Also, isn't the PM a pilot himself? So therefore he must have higher favorablity towards Boeing?  Wink/being sarcastic



Airbus or Boeing - it's all good to me!
User currently offlineKorg747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 549 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7040 times:

Well maybe he wanted to keep a balance Between A and B....MEA has airbus and he has Boeing Big grin.

[Edited 2004-06-17 22:20:52]


Please excuse my English!
User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

Oger is also a Saudi company.

Saudi Arabian Airlines operate the 777 with GE90 engines, just like the Oger one.

Servicing and spares were probably part of the consideration.


User currently offlineTrevD From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 331 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6898 times:

Best combination of performance, range, interior space and lower fuel costs, significantly lower maintenance costs and overall lower operating costs.


User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6886 times:

Is he single? Does he perhaps want another daughter? Hee hee hee hee  Big grin

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

Thanks for all the feedback.

It wasn't a Government purchase, so why should he have bought the A340?

Like I said, he himself has very very close connections with France. He invests in France a lot, and he owns a mansion in Corsica and I believe has a home in Paris.

He has a lot of French business connections.

Having flown both, by far 777 has much more impressive flying experience... This is nothing to do with the capability of the A343, but being an aviation enthusiast its just not a fun plane to fly on.

I completely agree. From a personal perspective, I'm glad he chose the 777 instead of the A340.

I've flown the A340-300 three times and the 777-200 about probably 15 times and I by far prefer the 777 in every way.

Also, isn't the PM a pilot himself?

Nope.

Well maybe he wanted to keep a balance Between A and B....MEA has airbus and he has Boeing.

Speaking of MEA. He was largely responsible for helping MEA acquire its new A321 and A330 fleet. He helped them politically, as MEA is government owned.

Oger is also a Saudi company.

Saudi Oger is a Saudi company.

However the parent company, Oger International is French. He bought the company in the early 80's, but kept its French identity.

He recently started Oger Liban (Liban is French for Lebanon).

Saudi Arabian Airlines operate the 777 with GE90 engines, just like the Oger one.

Servicing and spares were probably part of the consideration.


Servicing is done by a European maintenance contractor. The name of the contractor currently escapes me however...

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineGoMEA From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6513 times:


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Whatever airplane he chose, he should think of a better colorscheme.

His old 727adv had also these discreet cheatlines, but he could spend a couple of $$$ on having a graphic designer pulling up something fresh.


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regards



MEA raising the Cedar far up in the sky
User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6494 times:

Best combination of performance, range, interior space and lower fuel costs, significantly lower maintenance costs and overall lower operating costs.

cheaper operating costs per seat in airline configuration but not per flight.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

The 777 has a wider cabin which might make it appealing from a comfort and payload aspect.

Clearly, this is a good reason. The 777 lends itself better to the VIP configuration than a 340.

That hasn't stopped anyone from getting the 340, however.

N


User currently offlineTrevD From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 331 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Roberta - Not so, even on an absolute trip cost basis the 777-200ER beats the A340-300 (admitedly just barely).

But even if they were a wash, the larger cabin area and greater performance - more range, more payload, faster cruise of the 777-200ER gives you a better airplane.


User currently offlineVSXA380X800 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

Maybe He wanted to save on maintenance cost. The A340 has 4 engines when the 777 has 2.
He's also sacrificing more space. The 777-200 can hold up to 305 seats yet the 340-300 can hold up to 335. Not saying that he will invite 300 of this friends over.
Why would he compare the 340 to the 777 when the 777 will salutar the 340-300. He should of open his eyes a little wider so he could see the A340-500
If I had the chance to chose any 340's I would go for the 345s.



4 decks 4 engines 4 long haul
User currently offlineTrevD From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 331 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 6364 times:

VSX380X800,

Some info to clarify: the 777-200ER offers much more cabin area than the A340-300 (cabin area is measured at arm-rest height above the floor, sidewall to sidewall, and bulkhead to bulkhead), it's a common measurement VIP completion centers use to spec out a new interior.

The 777-200 provide 218 sq meters of cabin are .vs. only 194.9 for the A340-300. The 777 is also significantly wider which VIP operators find attractive.

In similar passenger config's, a 3 class 777-200ER at 301 seats would be equivalent to only 262 seats for the A340-300. In fact, you would have to go all the way up to the A340-600 to get more cabin area (236.9 sq meters) but if you are going to go that big, go for the 777-300/-300ER to get 263.9 sq. meters !!




User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6224 times:

GoMEA,

It's a private jet. Private jets are very rarely painted with anything more than cheatlines.

They try to keep a low profile and this is why they never paint anything else besides a cheatline.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6161 times:

I think it's because he is a Boeing customer. He owns a number of Boeings including a 727-200 and at least one 737NG.

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6144 times:

OD720,

He has a 727-200, a 737-700BBJ, and a 737-800BBJ.

However the 737s were bought after he bought the 727.

Do you have any idea what he uses the 727 for these days?

I am pretty sure his two 737s are used by his sons who work for his company, Saudi Oger.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6118 times:

I think the 727 is currently used by his wife. I also hear that it is sometimes used to fly some of his good friends, like a treat. I may be wrong though on this one.

User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

If he keeps going on like this, hes going to have a personal fleet bigger than MEA's soon Big grin

But seriously, I think it is because of the aircraft itself having more cabin space. I doubt the PM is going to fill it with seats, so he isnt worried about that. Also, IMO the B772 is a more impressive a/c than the A343, and in my personal opinion it is a better choice.


User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6034 times:

Not so, even on an absolute trip cost basis the 777-200ER beats the A340-300 (admitedly just barely).

well not according to PIA.

Although from what i have read the A343 is specifically for long haul (due to the A333 compliment) whereas the 772ER does well with all of the ranges.

[Edited 2004-06-19 12:41:21]

25 Aerosol : Personal opinion: If you have your own 777 I do not think you care about operating costs.
26 Cedarwings : Mr. Hariri's B777 pilots are Australians and Italians. B727 pilots are Russians and Syrians. B737 Pilots are Germans and Greeks. Business jet fleet's
27 Rb211ltn : Is this a new-build 777 or a used example? If it is used, does anyone know its' history?
28 Cedarwings : Rb211Itn, Boeing company delivered this aircraft directly to Hariri's company in 22/10/1999. Its first flight was to Geneva-Switzerland where it was f
29 MEA330 : The Hariri 777 interior fitting was done at Hamburg by Lufthansa Technic. Lufthansa Technic also does the heavy maintenance Having the same GE90 then
30 Cedarwings : MEA330. My source was a nurse, member of Hariri's medical team who is used to fly with him. Thanks anyway for the correction.
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