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Article:WN @ PHL More Successful Than Anticipated  
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4891 times:

For those who have been asking how successful WN has been over at PHL, the link from today's Philly Inquirer Business Section tells a bit about it.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/business/8950628.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp


"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4839 times:

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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3803 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

Isn't this the same "headline" we see whenever, wherever Southwest opens a new station? Seems to me it invariably turns out this way because of the vocal ones who hope to see Southwest fail, who have become experts at grasping at straws to "convince" us that "this time it will be different" because the incumbent basket-case legacy/would-be-cartel airline "has an all-new and effective strategy up its sleeve to beat Southwest at its own game."

Oh well, wrong again! What's new?

Next, I imagine we will be hearing the same predictable response (perhaps with a slightly different spin) from same crowd about how Southwest's success at PHL is a fluke brought about by some sleight-of-hand and chicanery. Wrong again; there most certainly is some sleight-of-hand and chicanery involved in Southwest's success, but not on their part. Rather it is such nonsense on the part of the legacies that has consumers looking for a what-you-see-is-what-you-get alternative, a need met quite nicely by Southwest.


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4512 times:

From a Dallas Morning News Article posted in another thread:

The carrier announced 18 flights to launch between September and October, its biggest expansion since the September 2001 terrorist attacks. None of the new flights are from Dallas Love Field.

Consultants say they think Southwest will have even more aggressive plans in short order.

"I think Southwest is sensing that the industry is on the cusp of a huge shakeout among the legacy carriers," Mr. Garfinkle said. "Their growth will be even more than they've let on so far."

An excerpt from an article which ran in the Seattle Post Intelligencer :

"This is the next wave of Southwest service. There are going to be a lot more waves this year and next," said Chief Executive Jim Parker Thursday.

Parker said the airline's launch this year of service to Philadelphia has been the most successful city launch for the airline ever in terms of demand.

And then, from the article posted in the thread starter:

Southwest, known for starting small and growing slowly when it has launched service elsewhere, started in Philadelphia with 14 flights a day to the six cities. It plans to add another 14 a day to seven more cities in July, and in September, it will begin a Saturday-only nonstop flight to a 14th city, San Diego.

That is the most new service the airline has ever started from one city in the first two months, Kelly said. "It has every sign that it will continue to grow."

The Southwest officials said Philadelphia could have about 40 flights a day within a few months. The airline has only four gates, in Terminal E, at Philadelphia airport, which will limit its growth unless it can find more.

This current "wave" of 18 new flights just announced (none from PHL) takes effect on September 15th and October 4th. I'll bet you anything the next wave of new flights will once again involve PHL and will commence between Oct 29 (when Daylight Savings Time ends) and the end of the year.

Question - I remember when Southwest first announced PHL they were to use the four gates but there was a chance they could get four more for a total of eight. Are these other four gates existing ones that are occupied by other airlines now or are they gates yet to be built?

LoneStarMike

User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1240 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

"Are these other four gates existing ones that are occupied by other airlines now or are they gates yet to be built?"

No, the four gates will be new, they too will be located at D and were financed two years ago for approximately $40 Million. The project should actually begin soon now that I think about it. I also remember hearing the gates will be at the end of D to create a hammerhead.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3397 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4418 times:

a bit of a correction on PHLapproach's post. The 4 new gates that Southwest will get will be new gates that are built at the end of Terminal E, the same terminal Southwest is currently using(not terminal D, where 4 new gates were built on a hammerhead about a year ago).

Last i heard contruction plans for the new gates called for an extention at the end of Terminal E(somewhat like a hammerhead) to allow for 3 more gates(not 4 anymore), which all would most likely go to Southwest.


User currently offlineCMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

Growing too fast. They need to slow it down a little bit.



User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

Growing too fast. They need to slow it down a little bit.

They have a self-impose growth cap actually. It was one of Herb's ideas (suprise suprise) and he has inforced it with an iorn fist on occasion. I want to say it is 12.5%, and with the size of their existing network, 12.5% is still rather huge. If any corperation has the leadership to pull this off, it is WN.


User currently offlineLgbguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

No we have not grown fast at all. It's about time we start picking back up the pace! Rumor has it the 3 wave of PHL is coming this year SAN,OAK.SEA-PHL N/S are coming 7 days a week! lgbNOTguy

User currently offlineJeffinbwi From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

The bigger issue is going to be ticket counter space. Having lots of flights is great but if you don't have enough Agents and computers to check in all those people what good is it. They need to work on getting Delta/Air France out of there so they can take over those ticket counter positions.

User currently offlineLgbguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

Trust me they will make it work as long as they can. Look at SNA they worked out of a make shift ops for 9 out of the ten years here. There CSA and Ramp breakrooms are like 15 by 10..Hell Ops was only about 5 by 5 only until useless airways left it was real fun on a shift change 11 people in one small room! Now were getting a lot bigger and rumor has it 10 more flight coming sometime next year..We make BIG BANK in SNA so it's worth the price of a small breakroom ECT..I would love to see flights to TUS,ABQ,MDW and BWI..and of course 1 or 2 more LAS and PHX flights...LGBnotGUY

User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

Does anybody know how US is doing on their competing routes. Thanks.

-SOAC



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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

First off I'd take anything The Philadelphia Inquirer has to say about WN with a huge grain of salt.

Not that WN hasn't been sucessful in PHL. It's just that the Inquirer has been blowing so much sunshine up WN's collective a$$ you'd think that WN's marketing was writing the articles for them.

What I'm most intersted in is WN's on time rate out of PHL. We have had a very bad month of afternoon storms and ground delay programs, which everyone in PHL predicted. WN said they where not worried about PHL's delay problems, well now they have had a taste of being 20th in line to take off. One can't help but wonder how this is affecting them. Loads maybe great during the summer time but there ontime reputation has to be taking a beating.

BTW I've see the New Mexico flag plane and I've seen the Arizona Flag Plane, Anybody know when Shamu will be coming to PHL?


User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

The on-time rate is horrible there is no way it can be good, PHL has ground stops due to WX almost on a daily basis. Oh wait , hold on a second, the ground stops are only for US, DL, CO, UA, NW, and AA flights. WN is immune to them so they can run on time. Just wait until winter time, if you think its bad now it will only get worse. I smell increased costs for our little golden child WN in PHL. Lets see the Enquirer write something about that!!!

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

Is that something going on with PHL lately? It is pretty soon will began more flight from PHL to LAX, HOU, MSY, RDU, MHT, PBI & FLL.

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Having lots of flights is great but if you don't have enough Agents and computers to check in all those people what good is it

WN did install some additional self-check-in kiosks along the enclosed pedestrian overpass leading to Terminal E, which is close to the security check-point line.

No doubt that during peak periods, WN agents are directing those who don't have luggage to check-in to use the kiosks at the overpass to check-in and print out their boarding passes.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

The bigger issue is going to be ticket counter space. Having lots of flights is great but if you don't have enough Agents and computers to check in all those people what good is it. They need to work on getting Delta/Air France out of there so they can take over those ticket counter positions.

In addition to the expansion at the gate area, there is also a plan in the works to expand and consolidate the check-in areas at Terminals D & E similar to the Terminal B-C project of 10 years ago. This expansion will also improve and expand the security check-points at D & E as well. This will definitely help passengers that have code-shares on CO/DL/NW as well as WN passengers.

At present, it is planned that the construction of both of these facilities will be performed in one bid package (the same architectural firm is involved on both both building expansion projects).

If all goes well, the project should be completed in about 2 years; it's still presently in the design phase.




"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

I don't think WN would merely be able to get AF and DL to leave... That's so silly...

D & E are desperately in need of enlarged ticketing areas though. I was in E last week around 6PM and it was a total zoo, but at check-in and at security. Hopefully there will be improvements soon.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Hopefully there will be improvements soon.

Haveric,

Read the preceding post (#16) before yours.

Change is on the way, but it will take a while.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2686 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3846 times:

First off I'd take anything The Philadelphia Inquirer has to say about WN with a huge grain of salt.

I'd take anything from that newspaper as socialist propaganda!  Nuts

Nick


User currently offlineLHcapt2007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

"PHL has ground stops due to WX almost on a daily basis... WN is immune to them...I smell increased costs for our little golden child WN in PHL"

So why the increased cost? A paradox covered up with witty sarcasim can't hide your true feelings of WN : "I don't fly them, never have and never will". And as YOU pointed out, these WX etc. delays affect EVERYONE, so thank yourself for promoting and forecasting WNs sucess at PHL.

LHcapt2007



TNCM
User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3732 times:

LHcapt2007, its common sense that will tell you that when a plane is sitting on the runway awaiting takeoff during a ground stop it is burinig fuel, that is a cost and the more you burn waiting for takeoff the more your costs rise. It also causes more wear and tear on the engines because they are running longer. If the flight is scheduled for 2 hours and they are sitting on the ground for 1 1/2 hours thats 3 1/2 total hours and you have just added 1 1/2 hours more on the engines and 1 1/2 hours more fuel burn which means maintainence will be comming up on them sooner, that equals higher costs. Do i dislike WN, HELL YEAH!! I think they are garbage, even if I had a free ticket to fly them I wouldn't. Success in PHL..LOL!!! you are kidding right??, what they got 25 or so flights a day?, who cares?? Ill stick to my free travel on US and if I really need to get there and cant afford to be bumped ill buy a ticket on anyone but WN. Like I said in some earlier posts it makes me sick to have to work one of their charters, the only reason I do it is because we get paid good for it, otherwise I could care less what happens to it.

User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

If WN starts transcon flights from PHL, more damage will be done to US. In the event that US goes under, the delays will becoming shorter anyway!

User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

Freshlove...while you're jumping with joy that WN will see increased costs in the form of delays, you gotta remember that US is also experiencing those same increased costs. So the question becomes - which airline can afford them? They certainly aren't getting those costs covered by your "free" tickets. And last I checked, US was precariously close to filing chapter 7 and closing the doors.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

If WN starts transcon flights from PHL, more damage will be done to US.

WN already opperates these routes non-stop -

PHL-LAS
PHL-LAX
PHL-OAK
PHL-SAN
PHL-PHX

http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/routemap_dyn.html


25 TxAgKuwait : Freshlove was kind enough to write in, and says: >>its common sense that will tell you that when a plane is sitting on the runway awaiting takeoff dur
26 Ryefly : I am flying Southwest from RDU to PHL at the end of July. Round trip ticket was $78.00. You can't beat that. CLT-PHL was over $600.00 on US Airways on
27 Freshlove1 : CHAPT.7 not even close, where are you getting your info??? US is doing just fine right now, and hopefully when the pilots and F/A's agree on a deal th
28 BigB : Fresh Time will tell for US Airways.
29 Post contains images DfwRevolution : US is doing just fine right now, and hopefully when the pilots and F/A's agree on a deal things will get even better. US is here to stay sorry to info
30 SonOfACaptain : Hey freshlover, I'm with you all the way. I don't care what all you guys say, WN is going in to KILL US, no matter if they loose money. I have talked
31 Ssides : I wouldn't be surprised if Freshlove were one of those US employees who were reportedly vandalizing WN employees' cars at PHL ...
32 Freshlove1 : That story was the biggest bunch of B.S. ever told. And if it was true instead of vandalizing the cars or what ever they were they should have blown t
33 Ssides : I've had it. This WN-bashing is no more than freedom-bashing. If you don't like WN, fine, don't fly them. I don't like UA, so I don't fly them. I don'
34 TxAgKuwait : I ordinarily don't reward gutter language, but ssides, welcome to my respected user list.
35 Freshlove1 : Someone might want to tell WN that people are not cattle and they should not be treated like it..OK lets heard them up it's time to board flight 105 t
36 SonOfACaptain : SSides I guarantee if you ask any airline employee, past and present, and I am talking about the ones that actually know something about aviation, and
37 Lt-AWACS : "That story was the biggest bunch of B.S. ever told. And if it was true instead of vandalizing the cars or what ever they were they should have blown
38 TxAgKuwait : Freshlove----time to calm down. Let it go. Turn loose of your anger and hatred. It's a company, not a religious philosophy or political persuasion. Wh
39 Freshlove1 : Superior product.....you are kidding right???
40 TxAgKuwait : Nope. I think WN's one class cabin and service beats the Y offerings by all of the legacy carriers, with the possible exception of American's MRTC. Wh
41 Freshlove1 : And having been stuck next to people who needed a shower or should diet & exercise..........sounds like a typical WN flight
42 TxAgKuwait : Actually, the worst flight I ever had, in terms of who I was seated next to, was on Delta from DFW to ATL. The couple seated next to me were attemptin
43 UALPHLCS : Look I own stock in WN. I want it to make money. But I've been very skeptical from the start about PHL. I think ABE was the much better and more logic
44 Freshlove1 : Well stated UALPHLCS
45 Alphascan : TAK: I get about 34" pitch, which means legroom... I was shocked when I read this. So I looked it up. Actually you get a 32"-33" seat pitch on WN airc
46 Johnboy : Frankly, what shocks me about this entire thread, is that the curmudgeon pissing in everyone's Post Toasties is in the 26-35 age range.
47 Flashmeister : I was seating next to a F/A today and she said the same thing. People have to realize that flying isn't just a simple bus ride in the sky; 's a very
48 Goingboeing : SSides I guarantee if you ask any airline employee, past and present, and I am talking about the ones that actually know something about aviation, and
49 Post contains links PHLBOS : Does anybody know how US is doing on their competing routes. Thanks. SOAC, Ask and you shall receive; the below-article-link is from yesterday's Phila
50 BoingGoingGone : First arrival of SWA plane in PHL. Nice box of Crayons.
51 Freshlove1 : I have never seen that problem on US and I fly on them very frequently for comapny bisiness, ect. I have seen it on the WN charters that we do. I swea
52 TxAgKuwait : Now, now, freshlove....you wouldn't be biased against WN, would you? the fact that you work for a different carrier has nothing to do with your jaundi
53 BishopOfPHL : Besides when I fly I prefer 1st Class Freshlove, I hope you don't like 1st too much, as US is getting rid of it in a bunch of their planes. We'll look
54 InnocuousFox : "Now, now, freshlove....you wouldn't be biased against WN, would you? the fact that you work for a different carrier has nothing to do with your jaund
55 Goingboeing : Their cabin crews look like crap with those polo shirts on, come on atleast get a regular F/A uniform like DL, US, UA has for their F/A's. Hmmm...mig
56 Scottb : Freshlove1 says, "Besides when I fly I prefer 1st Class." Like that makes a whit of difference, you don't actually PAY for that first class seat when
57 Dadoftyler : Freshlove, Your drivel is getting tiresome. So we fly only trailer trash? Riiiiiggghhht. Show up in one of our gate areas for a business-type flight.
58 Post contains images PHLBOS : You clearly have a full-blown case of peanuts envy Dadoftyler, Nice Pun. For that, you are now on my Respected Users list.
59 Aa757first : Let me tell you a little story I have about Southwest to Boston. My aunt gave me, as a present, lunch in a city that needed a plane to fly to. So I th
60 Dadoftyler : AAndrew, Without meaning to, you proved one of my earlier points. Thank you. I'm assuming you were flying out of PHL (let me know if I'm wrong). Why d
61 PHLBOS : Aa757first, If you and/or your aunt did some more checking, you would have found out that the fares from Philly to Boston (as in BOS / Logan Airport)
62 Goingboeing : Aandrew...let me tell you a little story I have about Southwest to San Francisco. Had a business meeting I had to attend out there (I live in Kansas C
63 Aa757first : Dadoftyler and PHLBOS, I know the low prices are due to the presence of WN and FL. I've never flown Southwest, but if I was go to Providence as my des
64 Post contains images OPNLguy : >>>its common sense that will tell you that when a plane is sitting on the runway awaiting takeoff during a ground stop it is burinig fuel, that is a
65 PHLBOS : do you know when AirTran discontinued ABE - BOS AirTran ABE-BOS service???? Aa757first, that's a new one on me. If the service did exist, it was proba
66 DCA-ROCguy : Good job to OPNLguy, LoneStarMike, and all the others who have intelligently explained the advantages and facts about WN. However, I might suggest tha
67 Aa757first : From a '98 Yellow Pages book: AIRTRAN Affordable nonstop service to Orlando and Boston from Allentown. Service to other major cities throughout the So
68 Scottb : AAndrew- That's probably the AirTran that flew mostly 737-200's before ValuJet bought them out (after the Everglades crash, if memory serves) and co-o
69 UALPHLCS : While you all angrily denounced and denegrated Freshlove's argument because he wasn't using the correct terminology you ignored my argument outright.
70 STT757 : "AND ABE draws more heavily from the NYC area then PHL does." Totaly irrelevent since Islip much closer than either Allentown or PHL to NYC. Southwest
71 NWDC10 : Did SW and Frontier enter Phylly to "weaken" USAir? Robert NWDC10
72 DCA-ROCguy : The ground delays I've witnessed should be killing WN if they are being reported. Sitting onthe taxiways and ramp for a takeoff poistion for 2 hours w
73 Post contains images OPNLguy : >>>While you all angrily denounced and denegrated Freshlove's argument because he wasn't using the correct terminology you ignored my argument outrigh
74 Freshlove1 : Hey OPNLguy, thats cool no offense taken.
75 UALPHLCS : There is no conspiricy. But there is an orgasmic love afair with WN in the Phila. Inquirer. Like I said I own stock in WN I want it to succeed but I t
76 Goingboeing : I remind you of a very similar situation WN had at SFO. Runway configuration and weather make SFO congestion prone WN also had a good sized "non-hub"
77 UALPHLCS : AS someone who works in PHL it think I have a bit more experience with PHL than the people who made the decision. I don't think the Philaelphia area i
78 Post contains images OPNLguy : >>>>I still don't here anything from the media or WN employees about PHL's problems. Maybe because is been overblown, and that the delays aren't all t
79 Bostonguy : "Back Bay Betties" actually do fly WN out of Providence. Seems odd, I know, since the Boston airport is only 3 miles away. But getting to and from Log
80 PHLBOS : even with the new tunnels (could someone please tell me how to actually find the new tunnel?!?). Bostonguy, If you're looking for the Ted Williams Tun
81 Bostonguy : Thanks PHLBOS! When I'm driving it's usually from Jamaica Plain (part of Boston, close to downtown, but one of those classic places in New England whe
82 Post contains images AirPortugal310 : Frankly, what shocks me about this entire thread, is that the curmudgeon pissing in everyone's Post Toasties is in the 26-35 age range. And this makes
83 PHLBOS : Usually I take Melnea Cass and try to follow the signs from there, but being dyslexic might be the reason why I frequently wind up in Somerville. Stor
84 Bostonguy : Commuting to Boston Logan everyday, its wierd that someone who lives outside the city knows Boston by heart and someone who lives 3 miles away cant ev
85 GoAllegheny : Personally, I am not a big fan of Southwest, in part because I'm only 20 minutes from ORD, in part because I like pre-assigned seating, and in part be
86 Jeffinbwi : Getting back to the subject, I have been checking the loads to/from PHL and virtually all the flight are sold out. With the exception of some midweek
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