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Airtran 435 Diverted To FLL  
User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

I was looking at flight tracker and found this morning that flight 435 MIA-ATL was diverted to FLL...it was an immediate diversion as it left at 8:45am and arrived at 8:53pm. The flight departed FLL at 9:41am, arrived at ATL at 11:04am...and was under 1 hour delayed to MCI!

any info on the diversion is greatly appricated...the weather here was great, so I don't think it was weather related.

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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

What happening with FL was landing in FLL today?

User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3123 times:

I'm interested in knowing as well.

AAndrew


User currently offlineGroundstop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

TRS435 was not a diversion but in fact a scheduled flag stop to pick up passengers from a delayed FLL-ATL flight. It departed MIA 15 minutes earlier than scheduled to minimize the arrival delay in ATL so as to accomodate as many connecting passengers as possible.

JP

AirTran SOC


User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

Groundstop...thats the first time I've heard of this happening! Was the flight really delayed or cancelled and TRS435 REALLY empty...I'm sure the MIA passengers were suprised when they heard this! "Ladies and gentelmen, welcome to Fort Lauderdale!" "What?! We just left Miami!"

User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Nice work. Way to accomodate people with minimal disruption.

User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

That's quite creative on FL's part. Congrats!

Does FL have customer service coordinators who plan events like these, or is that a function of dispatch?

joe


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

I seen about FL is everything ok now and will make begin bring them back normal schedule again today and will not make anyplace else into their cities.

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3707 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2849 times:
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SOC coordinates any flagstops to pick up passengers, more specifically it is the passenger movement desk. We don't do a lot of the flagstops, but when we do, the go pretty well. Its a quick way to get passengers out of a delayed city, and to put them into the hub.


Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlineGroundstop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

The FLL-ATL in flight in question was running about 2 hours late due to MX. Since the next several flights to ATL were booked to capacity, there would've been very little reprotection for those customers. At the same time, Flight 435 was about half full and while not able to accomodate all the passengers in FLL, it did take care of the connecting pax. As far as how these decisions are made, its part of an internal collaborative decision making process involving ATL, the field stations in question, our Customer Relations IROP desk, and of course the Passenger Movement Desk in Dispatch (my new job).

JP


User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6196 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Jjbiv...all airlines do this. Its nothing creative on FL's part. As Airtran737 said, SOC makes the call given all the variables, then they do it. In 6 years at Alaska I have worked at least 10 flagstop flights. The most common being a PVR-SFO flight stopping to pick up passengers in Mazatlan to to delayed flight or MX. ALso, I have seen them stop to drop of a mechanic as well. So as I said, nothing new to the airlines.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1685 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2804 times:
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I experienced this on an Eastern 757 from Atlanta-Phoenix-Tucson. We made an unscheduled stop at Birmingham to drop off passengers from a canceled or delayed flight. I remember when passengers were deplaning at Birmingham, a man across the aisle said to them, "Anytime yall want to go to Birmingham again, just get on a flight to Phoenix." We arrived in Tucson just about on schedule.

Bob Bradley
Richmond, VA

[Edited 2004-06-19 17:39:58]


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User currently offlineBOAC707 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 278 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

Air Transat used to do this a few years ago...fly from YYZ to PBI and then on to FLL. Sounded like a useless waste of fuel.


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User currently offlineFsuwxman From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 439 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

Back in the day (well, happened many times in Tallahassee when I first go there, circa 1998) The last flight into Tallahassee was sometimes cancelled and the last flight into Pensacola made a stop in Tallahassee, at least once every few weeks. It was operated with a 727.


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2121 times:

The odd thing about flagstops is that a passenger's view of how "good" an idea they are is usually colored by which "end" of things one is on.

If you're a passenger already on the flight that is being flagstopped, it's a horrible thing, since you'll now be a little late into your original destination.

If you're one of the passengers stuck in XYZ and awaiting the arrival of the aircraft that's flagstopping, you tend to view things as if you've got a confirmed seat on the last flight out of Saigon.  Big grin

As Groundstop said, many folks are involved in any decision to flagstop. It's one of the more fluid and dynamic situations in airline ops, and is often the lesser of several evils. If there are 50 or 60 empty seats flying around, they go "poof" when the aircraft lands, and one has to use those empty seats on a tactical basis sometimes....

Groundstop, CONGRATS on your new job. BTW, you'll -love- your new 737-700s, as they are real "problem-solvers" (and "problem-preventers")...  Big grin



User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5343 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2006 times:

I LOVE the fact that airlines use the old railroad term "flag stop" to apply to this circumstance. In the olden days, the railroad equivalent of SOC (using only the telegraph to communicate) could order an express or streamliner to stop at a station through which it would normally pass by having the stationmaster signal the approaching engineer with a certain flag. This also applied where certain low-volume stations could board high-revenue pax onto streamliners via the same method. Interesting how we execute a century-old concept today -- very different but remarkably similar.

Best,

Bill


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 1994 times:

Several years ago I was trying to fly back home from ATL to Portland, ME (PWM)...Well, as luck would have it the airport was fogged in and we could not land, so we ended up flying down to BOS. Being that it was VERY late they put us in a hotel for the night. The next morning, Delta put us on the BOS-Bangor,ME (BGR) flight, and added a quick stop in PWM so we could all get off.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

"I'm sure the MIA passengers were suprised when they heard this! "Ladies and gentelmen, welcome to Fort Lauderdale!" "What?! We just left Miami!"

Be assured that the Captain made an announcement before the departure from MIA.  Smile


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Eastern Airlines CMH-ATL flight canceled. Then their DTW-ATL made a stop in CMH to pick up passengers (not that many) and went on to ATL.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

>>>I LOVE the fact that airlines use the old railroad term "flag stop" to apply to this circumstance. In the olden days, the railroad equivalent of SOC (using only the telegraph to communicate) could order an express or streamliner to stop at a station through which it would normally pass by having the stationmaster signal the approaching engineer with a certain flag.

A common thread here is that both the railroads and airlines use dispatchers to take these kinds of actions...



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