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Likely B6 EMB190 Destinations...  
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

Does anyone know which destinations are likely to see the B6 EMB190's? Are there any confirmed destinations for the B6 190's? Will they be based out of JFK, OAK, BOS, or elsewhere?

BTW.. if anyone knows if RDU is on that list.. I would be too estatic!


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User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2988 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

There are A LOT of destinations that the E190's will serve, and RDU is definitely one. They will be based out of JFK and I'm sure BOS will see some routes with the E190's.

BTW, there are litterally dozens of other threads on this exact same topic. Try the search and you'll find A LOT of info on this.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

I look forward to the fact that firdt pictures will be taken at FLL on it's delivery flight. A friend tild me that he saw the 190 proto at FLL two weeks ago, saddly I missed it.


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User currently offlineJET1977 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

If JBU ( ICAO Identifier for Jet Blue) end up going to PHL.... that will be music to my ears. I am based out in the Bay area for my job, but go back east at 4 times a year. I normally like to fly on UAL, but I can usally get a good price on DAL from SFO-JFK(normally a B762) then JFK-PHL ( CRJ). JBU Rocks and I would some direct TV on the 5 hour Transcon.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12113 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4774 times:
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The truth is everything said so far concerning the 190's is just a guess.... B6 like any airline is not going to announce any new destination before it has that destination ready to go, as to not let other airlines get in there first.....


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

Very true, Luv2fly...

But as with every well kept secret, the truth is always likely to be known before the official announcement..

Just wondering the type of market the 190 would be used in.. I have heard the JFK-Alb would be 190.. but does that mean it would no longer be the A320? Are they looking into entering odd markets or are they gonna be filling in the gaps on their route.. That kinda stuff I want to know.



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6201 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

The following list doesn't give any time frame nor aircraft specifics but at least it narrows destinations down... to a few dozen -- and RDU is on the list!  Big grin

JetBlue Prepares for Expansion

In an investment community presentation Wednesday, JetBlue CEO David Neelman released a map that showed some of the markets the airline is considering for future expansion in Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, and all over the U.S., but in particular the Midwest and Northeast over the next few years.

Possible future destinations include:

Albuquerque, N.M.
Austin,
Bermuda
Calgary
Cancun
Charlotte
Chicago
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Columbus, Ohio
Dallas/Fort Worth
Detroit
Greensburg, S.C.
Halifax
Indianapolis
Jacksonville, Fla.
Kansas City
Louisville, Ky.
Memphis
Milwaukee
Minneapolis
Montréal
Nashville
Nassau
Norfolk, Va.
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
Phoenix
Portland, Me.
Portland, Ore.
Raleigh/Durham
Reno
Richmond, Va.
San Antonio
St. Louis
Toronto
Tucson
Vancouver

Extract from Commercial Aviation Today




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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

Odd that Omaha isn't on there. I could swear that OMA has been talked about. We have one helluva business presence.


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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4602 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

I would expect to see TOL on there. Talk that I'm hearing right now is that Delta is backing out of the $2 million finance package to begin service to JFK from TOL. They were only going to do 1 lousy CRJ (last year they were going to do 3 CRJs for $900k). JetBlue was listed in the SCASDP filing and with TOL being such a close nit facility, it doesn't take long for something to spread once a Port employee slips. So we shall see.

User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

Not sure if the runway length is adequate for an EMB190 at this particular airport. That I know of, the largest plane that takes off from EYW is a CRJ700 and that is with restrictions. But it would be a nice getaway destination for New Yorkers! So my call would be JFK-EYW - 2x weekly. A little Caribbean taste just south of Florida a little over 3+ hours and the capacity of the airplane is just right for this route.




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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4610 times:

Is Greensburg, SC supposed to be Greenville/Spartanburg, SC? Pretty good list too.. loks like they are gonna be covering some good locations... and of course, I am excited RDU is on the list!


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

Planemaker-

That looks like the same list I saw several years ago when JetBlue made their first 'Start-up' proposal.....So I'd put some weight on those as being in the works....!!



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User currently offlineONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

We have a long list of cities that are very ripe for some low fare service from New York. Below are some cities listed with their average fare along with that cost per mile. Looks like there is alot of money to be made out there.
Richmond, VA $243 $0.83/mile
Norfolk, VA $202 $0.68/mile
Portland, ME $194 $0.49/mile
Pittsburg, PA $246 $0.72/mile
Cleveland, OH $274 $0.66/mile
Raleigh/Durham $190 $0.44/mile
Columbus, OH $227 $0.47/mile
Greensboro, NC $161 $0.35/mile
Charlotte, NC $300 $0.55/mile
Detroit, MI $152 $0.33/mile
Greenville, SC $235 $0.38/mile
Knoxville, TN $210 $0.32/mile
Columbia, SC $206 $0.33/mile
Charleston, SC $185 $0.29/mile
Louisville, KY $246 $0.37/mile
Indianapolis, IN $175 $0.26/mile
Chicago, IL $188 $0.25/mile
Milwaukee, WI $170 $0.23/mile
Nashville, TN $222 $0.29/mile
Jacksonville, FL $165 $0.19/mile
Birmingham, AL $239 $0.27/mile
St. Louis, MO $201 $0.22/mile
Memphis, TN $217 $0.22/mile
Minneapolis, MN $284 $0.27/mile
Dallas, TX $282 $0.20/mile
Houston, TX $307 $0.21/mile
Austin, TX $314 $0.21/mile
San Antonio, TX $288 $0.18/mile
Albuquerque, MN $220 $0.12/mile
Phoenix, AZ $215 $0.10/mile
Los Angeles (LAX) $314 $0.12/mile



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User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4547 times:
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Pittsburg, PA $246 $0.72/mile

Who came up with those figures? $246 is the AVERAGE?! That to me is a SALE! NYC-PIT is terribly expensive!

JBLU


User currently offlineDcflyer9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4512 times:


Looking at these #'s and considering that Jetblue has stated that their CASM is about 1 cent more for the e190's as compared to the Airbuses doesnt it look like Jetblue is goint to make a killing on these routes?


User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6201 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

I posted this in another thread but I will repeat it here because I think that it really is unique... all of the B6's E190s will have both pilot and co-pilot HUDS.


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4501 times:

Dcflyer9.. in one word, yes. The RDU-NY Area prices are horrid! And RDU is KNOWN for having low fares. but the RDU-JFK, RDU-LGA, and RDU-EWR run in the high 190/low 200 range... It's about the same price to fly to LAX, SFO, and SAN.. (~$203 r/t)!


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4473 times:

And RDU is KNOWN for having low fares. but the RDU-JFK, RDU-LGA, and RDU-EWR run in the high 190/low 200 range...

Are you kidding? That is not horrid. That is an excellent price. That's about as good a fare you can get on MIA-NYC during most times of the year (14-day advance on AA for MIA-LGA is 220$).



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4472 times:

Which one of those new destination cities will begin for next year in 2005 with EMB-190.

User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6201 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4455 times:

Jetblue's E190 break even LF is suppose to be only 65%.


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4417 times:

Is that still anything else about more new service this fall with 2004? How about even want come to PHX very soon? How come?

User currently offlineONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4415 times:

I should have made it more clear in my earlier post. Those fares listed are the average *one way* fares posted from the most recent period listed. (3Q 2003)


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4408 times:

All I can tell you something about California cities and it is already served out of JFK to LGB, SAN, ONT, OAK, SJC & SMF. Either way jetblue will make more new cities out of california and there is some more room in OAK. Maybe will flying to PHX, LAS, SLC, FLL, MCO, TPA.

User currently offlineJfkviaphx From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4387 times:

I hope SWF. It would be a great New York State stop. Granted it's only 72 miles from JFK, but you try and get to JFK during the day. I made the commute everyday for 2 years at 1 hour and 20 mins average each way. BTW that was at 3:30 am to and 1:30 pm from. If you have a 10 am flight out of JFK you will need to leave by 6am and take back roads to make the flight on-time.

User currently offlineKFLLSpotter From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 104 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

Anyone have details on the delivery flight to FLL? I'd like to be there to photograph the event. Any info is greatly appreciated!

25 ERJ170 : Are you kidding? That is not horrid. That is an excellent price. That's about as good a fare you can get on MIA-NYC during most times of the year (14-
26 Nucsh : Im just happy Charlotte is on the list. Of course, i've known this for about a year now (it pays to be friends with a pilot and a PR representitive).
27 ERJ170 : Will this be over a 1 year timeframe? 5 year? any ideas?
28 Erikwilliam : Hey guys, nice post on B6 and the EMB-190, but I do have a question: How does it works for B6 to get license to operate in all the 30something cities?
29 Planemaker : 7 E190s will go into service by the end of next year and 25 more during 2006. All 100 aircraft will be in service by 2011. Coupled with the A320 deive
30 Erikwilliam : Exactly PlaneMaker, isn´t a bit too much, I mean, we aren´t in the best of times for economics, oil, war, terrorism... On the other hand my grandpa
31 Usatoeze : How does it works for B6 to get license to operate in all the 30something cities?? I do know that here in Brasil U have to prove economical viability
32 DesertJets : I am willing to bet money, about 3 dollars, that among the first cities that JetBlue serves with the E190, will be Albany, NY. From an economic and a
33 InnocuousFox : "The big question is, over the next 2-3 years, is where the bulk of these planes will be based from" They should just swoop in and take over some plac
34 Planemaker : InnocuousFox -- very, very interesting idea. What you propose potentially could wipe out many of the spokes in legacy hubs.
35 DfwRevolution : InnocuousFox -- very, very interesting idea. What you propose potentially could wipe out many of the spokes in legacy hubs. Indeed. Of more interest,
36 InnocuousFox : STL has the excess capacity as well. By the way, I would really only see them running shorter routes from there... pretty much the central US over to
37 ScottysAir : I am sure about B6 will make more new cities next year in 2005 and either way will make choice of those Airbus or Embraer.
38 LambertMan : I would like to see something like what fox has hypothetically suggested, but I highly doubt it will ever happen. By the time that B6 will enter St Lo
39 Post contains images InnocuousFox : "By the time that B6 will enter St Louis Airtran more than likely will already be here" Which I predicted against a lot of complaints! ) "I will agree
40 IslipWN : Don't forget about ISP!!!
41 RockyRacoon : It's Pittsburgh One thing for certain, they won't venture into CVG. And if they do, they won't last. Would be nice to see a few E190's flying in daly.
42 AirlineFanatic : I can confirm that CVG is on the list of 190 destinations, curious why you believe "they won't last [in CVG]." B6 has a loyal following at will reach
43 Rjpieces : I am willing to bet money, about 3 dollars, that among the first cities that JetBlue serves with the E190, will be Albany, NY. From an economic and a
44 DCA-ROCguy : RJpieces is correct. Neeleman said at the time of the 190 order that one use JetBlue plans is to put them on the Upstate routes. It will allow them to
45 AGrayson514 : Grand Rapids, Michigan was on the original list for JBU but never saw service, so I imagine that if that area continues to grow the way it has over th
46 MAH4546 : MAH4546, RDU is about half the distance from NYC as MIA and the price is about the same. You do the math. Distance is only about 25% of the equation.
47 ERJ170 : Then what are the fares based on.
48 Isitsafenow : I like AGRAYSON514's post about GRR. FNT was also on the list just before Jetblue got cranked up. I feel GRR and FNT will be EM190 cites with possible
49 InnocuousFox : Fares, in theory, are comprised of a base value and then a dollar per mile amount... just as costs are. Think about it... if you fly 500 miles compare
50 MAH4546 : Then what are the fares based on. Competition, the mix of VFR/leisure/business traffic, number of daily non-stop seats, O&D traffic/demand, distance,
51 Stirling : It has been no secret, even before AA went back on its word in STL, that F9 was looking for an additional totally new east-west hub. They've been work
52 LambertMan : Stirling, While your post has some good points, the one about F9 and its western hub is a bit flawed. Yes, it was widely known that they were looking
53 Azul320 : Pointer... Jetblue is looking for high cost point-to-point markets in terms of expansion, not the unsuccessful hub and spoke networking of the past.
54 Post contains images Jfklganyc : To some extent I disagree with the above statment because B6 has a hub at JFK and will continue to concentrate growth there. It seems that all JFK rou
55 Azul320 : A hub at one of the largest cities in the world. What notion wouldn't yeild a profit for a start up carrier there?
56 SQ452 : Boston to JFK would be GREEEEEEAT, if they could do it really really cheap...like 39 bucks one way. BOS or JFK to Cincinnati, hell they could even con
57 Azul320 : In order to do that B6 would need to compete with the shuttle flights that operate every hour/weekly...there's no point into getting involved in that.
58 HlywdCatft : There has been talk in other threads about DAB getting service from JFK on E190s.
59 TxAgKuwait : I would caution everyone to not put (Rene) Descartes before the horse. A few things I think are problematic. Notice: I am not suggesting that B6 will
60 InnocuousFox : @ Stirling "That leaves jetBlue pointing in the direction of, SLC, having seen severe cutbacks from mainline-DL. [snip] It's all quite outrageous unti
61 Post contains images Planemaker : Yes, some people may think that B6's expansion will be a walk in the park and be devoid of challenges. However, their growth is not something that can
62 ERJ170 : So, Is B6 coming into RDU with the A320? the EMB190? or both? Is this within the next year or next 2-3 years? With LGB being kinda at capacity, is B6
63 AirlineFanatic : TxAgKuwait, 1) It's controlled growth, 27% CAGR through 2011. It's a hyper market that we are in today and can not be compared to the past. 2) Unions
64 MAH4546 : So, Is B6 coming into RDU with the A320? the EMB190? or both? Almost definitley the 190s. There are far more important markets to put the 320s on. RDU
65 ERJ170 : There are far more important markets to put the 320s on. RDU is the type of market that they ordered the 190s for. Having a 190 come in is so much bet
66 MIASkies : Well B6 would be quite welcomed in MIA! Their are not to many options when flying to the NYC Airports from MIA other than the numerous AA flights. and
67 ERJ170 : But wouldn't AA pull out the chariots and open the gates of HELL before they allow a LCC to run competing flights between 2 of their hubs? Or am I not
68 MIASkies : Oh im sure they will...I think they feel that coming on, hence the increase in flights to LGA coming up..hahahaha. on this side of the ring we have B6
69 ERJ170 : That will be an interesting war going on.. I believe AA will pull a NW and pull out their whips and chains. B6 will put up a good fight.. But I don't
70 MIASkies : Will be interesting to see, AA has pretty much wiped off and decrease the service of every legacy US carrier on routes to and from MIA, except Delta o
71 ERJ170 : MIASkies, Which airlines are gonna be in the terminal (J?) they are building besides H? G? Whichever it is...
72 NW7E7 : Maybe LIT to compete with CO to the New York Area.
73 MIASkies : I hear it is suppose to be a "STAR ALLIANCE" Terminal...What the heck for? Who knows! UA Pretty much pulled all of their big INTL routes (Chile, Argen
74 ERJ170 : Cool... cool.. cool.. last time I was in I saw a Swiss bird in. Seeing that I'm in RDU with no Int service, it was great seeing it. Perhaps those addi
75 ScottysAir : I have to tell you something about Mexicana are no longer use with UA of Star Alliances and they transfer over to American Airlines now. As for SkyTea
76 MAH4546 : But wouldn't AA pull out the chariots and open the gates of HELL before they allow a LCC to run competing flights between 2 of their hubs? Well, JFK i
77 ScottysAir : That's right and it is for the charter flight of Eurofly from MXP-MIA. This is one of thsoe day will make increase flight very soon. Can you tell me a
78 Post contains links ERJ170 : Well, JFK is not an AA hub Somebody forgot to tell AAmerican that... http://www.aa.com/content/aboutAA/whereWeFly/maps/ne_us_aa.jhtml They have JFK li
79 Post contains links MAH4546 : Somebody forgot to tell AAmerican that... http://www.aa.com/content/aboutAA/whereWeFly/maps/ne_us_aa.jhtml They have JFK listed as a Hub. While it doe
80 ERJ170 : Very interesting.. thanks for the clarification.
81 Rjpieces : I'm surprised STL is still classified as hub and not focus city.
82 ERJ170 : Its the AmConn hub, I do believe.
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