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Percentage Of American's Who Have Flown  
User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17829 times:

What percentage of American citizens have been on a plane? I guess well north of 80%- although I could be way off. Is there a good place to find that info?
How about he world? Europe. I am not so much interested in the total number of passenger/ US Citizens. I am more interested in the number of people who have never taken an airplane.

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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5632 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 17810 times:

I vaguely recall that it was something about 80%, maybe a little more.


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User currently offlineDaumueller From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 690 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 17797 times:

sounds too much for me... think of all the poor... I don't think, that 80% of the american citizens got the money or flying.

also: if you make a difference of how many americans who have been outside america (therefore fly international), the number shrinks again excessively...


User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 17786 times:

Daumueller,

You make it sound as if the US was really backward! You may not also be aware the flying is quite cheap in some areas. What would be your guess for Germany?

I agree with you about flying across borders- the number would be only a tiny fraction of the total number of people who have taken a plane- but remember that you can fly for 5 hours srtaight in the mainland US and still be in the same country. Many more if you include Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Alaska. etc.

San Juan/ Juneau Alaska nonstop would take forever! lol.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17002 posts, RR: 67
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 17760 times:

But always remember:




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User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 17739 times:


Daumueller, you make it sound as this country is loaded with poor people. First of all, this country has an expanse that is extremely large and has the most extensive routing system of any country in the world. You can fly routes that are 5 hrs and more and some that are 15 mins or less...airtravel is a very important part of the UNited States' way of life and of transporting our people, just as trains are in Europe. So take the important factors into consideration and I think that your statement as to how many people have flown across borders was a bit out-of-line as in trying to imply that Americans simply don't get around the world. Let's try to look at what the man is asking and stick to it and not bring in any sort of biases that we may have, ok?
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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17716 times:

Thats very ignorant of you Daumueller.

Fact is that air travel is the most important mode of long distance travel for most Americans. Therefore it is not very expensive to fly in borders.



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User currently offlineSk945 From Sweden, joined May 2002, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17696 times:

It's all come down to how you count. 80% seams very much.
I would guess for Sweden it's around 50%. When you take in consideration that a large part of the population are children and old people, that might not have taken a flight.



User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17687 times:

Does that 80% figure account make a distinction between those who have flown only once vs. those who have flown more often?


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User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17679 times:

There's an article on this page http://www.aviationtoday.com/reports/2000gallup.htm that says 83% have flown on commercial airlines, this was in 1999 / 2000 though.

star_world


User currently offlinePearyland From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17671 times:

If the low prices in Europe will continue, everybody has flown on a plane until 2005  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Just kidding

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17660 times:

If the low prices in Europe will continue...

I read in a recent Philadelphia Inquirer article that European LCCs are the main reason why the Chunnel train may be facing bankrupcy within the next 2 years.

If I can still locate the article-link, I will post it.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17657 times:

Most people have in USA I guess???? USA is the world's largest aviation market and the world's largest economy.

What about Asia? Cities like Hong Kong, Shanghai, Singapore etc etc?


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17654 times:

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/nation/8964940.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

The earlier-mentioned article-link, as promised.



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User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17624 times:


SK945,

Consider that the 20% that haven't flown in the United States is about 60 million people, which is why we are arguing that it is about 80% of the population in the U.S. that have flown on airplanes. So that 60 million you can figure your older people and children and there again, the "economically unfit to fly."
Regards



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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17590 times:

sounds too much for me... think of all the poor... I don't think, that 80% of the american citizens got the money or flying.

Even some of the poorest people I've met have flown at some point in their lifetime. When you can fly JFK-LAX for $99 o/w to visit grandma, flight is within reach of even the poorest members of our society.

Does that 80% figure account make a distinction between those who have flown only once vs. those who have flown more often?

No. I doubt 80% of people in the US fly more than once a year, if that. But for the number of people who have been on a plane that sounds about right.

So that 60 million you can figure your older people and children and there again, the "economically unfit to fly."

Further, I don't know how many of you flew before your 12th birthday, but I flew just after my 11th, with mom in tow, of course. I've also booked travel for many a UNAM and even put a few on the plane. Just because someone is young or old doesn't mean they haven't flown. I think it breaks down more on ideological lines (not religious ones). People who want to travel and "see the world" (or at least the country) will fly. People who stick to one part of the country their whole lives and never leave, they don't fly.

I think the 80% number is probably a pretty good guess. For people who travel on a regular basis (more than once a year), maybe 35-40%. For people who have travelled internationally by air, I'd say the number is probably getting down to 20-30%, though it could be more than that. That still represents 60-90 million people, though.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17002 posts, RR: 67
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17582 times:

I read in a recent Philadelphia Inquirer article that European LCCs are the main reason why the Chunnel train may be facing bankrupcy within the next 2 years.

Probably not the only reason. This would be the second bankruptcy then, and the first one was pre-LCC.



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User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17553 times:

I read in a recent Philadelphia Inquirer article that European LCCs are the main reason why the Chunnel train may be facing bankrupcy within the next 2 years.

I heard (don't quote me) that the Chunnel was so costly to make that it would never recover the original cost of building.

As far as the thread, it's a miracle that Greyhound and Amtrak are still in business given how easy it is to travel from most cities to most cities in the US.
FLY2LIM



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User currently offlineDaumueller From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 690 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17552 times:

folks, I'm aware of the way, people fly within the USA - if been there so many times that this is not a factor... further, it was not meant as an offense so don't regard it as something anti-american. I don't think the rate within germany or europe is higher. I just don't think that 4 out of 5 people have been on a plane... ok, maybe once but certainly not on a regular basis...

just my two cents...


User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17540 times:

Hey Daumueller, I knew you weren't bashing America. I get what you were trying to say, and I too was even surprise of how many people have flown. But that is the result of low fares, and when you think about it does make sense.


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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17527 times:

As far as the thread, it's a miracle that Greyhound and Amtrak are still in business given how easy it is to travel from most cities to most cities in the US.

Actually, Greyhound has figured out a pretty good business model to make travel available to people who still can't afford to fly, or who can't afford to fly on a regular basis. Let's face it: $69 r/t is a pretty good deal, even if it takes 3 days to go from Norfolk to Kansas City (you don't pay hotels, only for food, because you sleep on the bus!).

AmTrak is subsidized by the government, so that explains that.



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User currently offlineSk945 From Sweden, joined May 2002, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17517 times:

767-332ER,
It dosen't matter if its 60 milion or 1 milion. With US population, how many are children between 0-6 years? It's the percentage I thougt were a bit high. But if it's correct, that's great.
I don't think that the figuers for Europe is so high.


User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17479 times:

My original guess of 80% was just that. I could be way off. Probably not much. When I say 80%, I refer to people who have been on any plane at least once.

As for the bus being cheaper. I suppose it is- but barely- when you factor in 3 days of food and the lost productivity of 3 days on a bus.

Do you feel this number would be higher in other countries? I think Europe with their excellent trains (I am jealous!) and relatively late entrance into LCC-land, may not have as high a number. Perhaps Australia or Russia? Definitely not India or China. Maybe Israel? or Japan...

Thanks for posting the links to the articles guys...


User currently offlineUsatoeze From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 358 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17369 times:

With US population, how many are children between 0-6 years? It's the percentage I thougt were a bit high. But if it's correct, that's great.
I don't think that the figuers for Europe is so high.



Cant speak for Sweden by itself, but the birthrate in the USA is indeed higher than the EU.



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User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 17316 times:


Sk945,
I agree with you now, but yes as mentioned earlier, the nativity rate for Europe is much lower than it should be. I mean, I flew when I was 8 months old, so...hehe..
Regards



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25 Petazulu : Come on guys- lets have a debate. Do you think a higher percentage of Icelanders have flown at least once than anyone else? I am surprised more people
26 JCS : I did check statline.nl; a database of statistic information about Netherlands. They told 4.639.000 Dutch people went in 2003 by plane on holiday. Tot
27 Petazulu : JCS, Those are all good points. Indeed, the 80% mark is most probably easily obtained over there. There is a whole segment of the US that is too poor
28 Railmatt : It is still amazing that for a lot of people, the thought of doing anything besides driving on government-built roads won't even occur to them unless
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