Mozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2394 posts, RR: 21 Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6337 times:
This is NOT, I repeat, NOT a joke question, but real interest: how old are NW's DC9s? I read so much about them that I started wondering. Also, do they "feel" old for pax, in terms of cabin facilities, flying experience, etc?
Thanks for any serious answers.
PS: Hope there won't be any threads "How dirty are AF planes really?" or "How absent are PTVs really on LH?"
RareBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6157 times:
I think some of the older DC-9s date to 1967. I last flew in one of the older ones in 1999, so I can't address current condition, but back then they didn't really feel "old". I've been on DL DC-9 / MD-80s that felt and looked older than the NW planes.
Dtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6138 times:
The interiors have been updated. New seats, overheads, etc. They don't have IFE obviously, but who needs that on most of the short hauls they are utilized for.
Granted, the seats are cloth and not leather, and F/C is a little tight, it still beats flying on a crj from DTW to CVG. I haven't been in coach in a long time, but the 3-2 config is much more pleasing than the tight 2-2 on a rj jor 3-3 on an airbus.
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6106 times:
Some of the DC9-14s are probably vintage 1965 or 1966......There are probably some vintage 1966 or 1967 DC9-30s as well....
You have to remember that a majority of these DC9s came from the amalgamation of three basic airlines North Central, Southern Airways and Hughes Airwest. Hughes Airwest itself was made up of three carriers: Bonanza, Pacific and West Coast.
Southern's DC9-14s mostly came as ex-Eastern and Ex-Delta DC9-14s as those carriers phased them out. N948L if its still flying around is a former Bonanza DC9-15. The 30 series are mostly ex-North Central, Delta, Hughes Airwest, Eastern, N994Z is even a former Ozark bird.
An Interesting story about N994Z is that one time whilst doing a flight for Ozark, it had landed in Sioux Falls, SD and hit a snow plow on the runway, and the plow knocked one of the wings off. The plow driver was killed in the accident. However the insurance company had the aircraft fixed and it was subsequently sold to Republic airlines, where it now flies for NW.
The oldest DC9-30s are undoubtedly North Central birds and they might even have a couple Ex-Northeast Airlines 30 series. The 50s (built between 1975 and 1980 or so) are ex-North Central for the most part altho a few former Eastern DC9-50s have crept into the fleet. One of the NW DC9-50s I have flown on was N600TR which was actually a former Venezuelan airliner. A couple of 30s are from JAT of the former Yugoslavia one of which is N926RC. The 40s were picked up as SAS had decided to dump them out of their fleet.
The DC9 is a remarkable bird and as Ozark used to call them..."The Bugless Douglas."
The days are prolly numbered sadly but it goes to show you that they don't make planes like they used to. I'm thinking the reason that NW has kept them this long is because they have two engines and have a two man crew. Had they been like the 727s, they would have been Looooooooong gone!!
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7634 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6087 times:
You may want to check out the latest edition of Airliners magazine; the issue gives a history of Republic Airlines and touches a bit on NW's introduction to the DC-9 in 1986 (not as long as some would think) through its aquisitition of Republic.
"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
Like I said in my comments, this one was built in 1966 and I've never been on anything so loud. I've flown on several AirTran DC-9-30's, flown on other NW DC-9's, sat in the back on L1011's and 727's and nothing compared to this. I was seated in row 14 (only 17 rows total on the plane). It sounded like buzzsaw's and chainsaw's behind my head, it was insane. Talking to the girl next to me, we were having a yelling match pretty much because you couldn't hear. Interior was a bit worn, but didn't look 38 years old! From a normal pax point of view, the -10's need to go and now (should be at the end of the year), but from a crazed lunitic like myself it was fun.
I also flew on N760NC (-51 series).....had a moan and groan sound for 10 mins after take off, but it was a smooth flight. The stretch DC9's are fine I guess, I still like the 727's
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5805 times:
SRBMOD...thanks..I attempted to correct my screwup.
and DAZED 767, on that model 10, were you in row 15 or 16, like the back of the plane?
It is noisy by the engines compared to rows 9 or 10 or closer to the leading edge of the wing or in front of the wing.
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
Spoon04 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5737 times:
I actually DARE any non-aviation enthusiast to pick the newer aircraft if a newly repainted NW DC9-30 was parked next to a new Air Tran 717. I've flown on both recently, and outside of the "Gee-Whiz" flight deck of the 717, there really is no difference re the interior features of both aircraft. Kudos to NW for utilizing the DC-9 effectively, efficiently, and intelligently!!