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Last AA Fokker Flight: 8 September 2004  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5245 times:

The last flight for American Airlines' Fokker 100 aircraft will be, as of now, 8 September 2004. It will be AA 2573 from White Plains to O'Hare, departing White Plains at 0933, arriving in O'Hare at 1033.


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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5232 times:

What are they planning on using as replacements the tons of MD80's they have? and 738's?...for now anyway.




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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

Too bad. It was a neat little plane. Kinda funky. And not old enough to retire.

R


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

What are they planning on using as replacements the tons of MD80's they have? and 738's?...for now anyway.


There is no direct replacement. Routes they were formerly on will see mainly MD80s and CRJ-700s, though 738s and ERJs are on some of them too.



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User currently offlineUAlonghaul From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

American needs to ditch the md80 and f100 family once and for all. Those planes, albeit nice and quiet, are junky old tin cans. Talk about lack of service, even in F class no audio, no video, no meals on most flights. I am glad to see AA is moving one step in the right direction.

Now lose the md80 and i might you fly you once every 10 years.


User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 535 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

Same goes with NW's DC-9's!!!  Nuts  Nuts  Nuts

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

This is very sad to hear about Fokker F100 are leaving from ORD into this fall and will miss them very soon.  Crying

User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5483 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5089 times:

The Fokkers are nice aircraft, but I don't want to spend more than two hours on one. They just seemed a bit cramped. I've always liked AA's MD-80s. They don't have the bells and whistles, but they are very quiet(near the front), and have a somewhat open feel to them that I don't find on AA's F100s and 757s (can't speak for the 738s). I have spent 3.5 hours on AA MD-80s before, and I'd gladly do it again.

Kind of unrelated, but does anybody know what will happen to one of the gates at ORD at I believe concourse K right next to the Admirals Club? Last time I was there I thought it could only handle a F100 and it would be a waste to not use the gate. Maybe American Eagle could use it for overflow?

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User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

UAlonghaul,

Please stop. No one asked for your opinion on the SP80, and no one (obviously) respects it by looking at your respect rating. Keep your ignorant thoughts to yourself.

[Edited 2004-06-23 06:29:21]

User currently offlineASTROJET707 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 299 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

Last I read they were to be retired by DEC-05. What has happened to accelerate the removal?

AJ707


User currently offlineN960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4989 times:

Sometimes this forum is just a place where people who fly two roundtrips a year to MCO or some place bash MD80s, espeically AAs.

But can anyone who actually flies them tell me why they're so bad again? I've flown 9 AA MD80 segments since November 03 and I think they're great. Why would you argue with a 2-3 configuration, MRTC, new seats, powerports and an extremely quiet front cabin??? I'll take my ipod and a good book over a drop down screen on a 737NG or A32S with some edited movie any day.

I don't care if it's a 45 min ORD-SLT or an almost 4 hours STL-LAX. Put me on an AA MD80 over any US domestic airline's plane (except AA 767s and 777s).


User currently offlineCorsair2 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4921 times:

I agree with Ssides!

Who really needs the IFE on short domestic flights.

The MD-80s and F100s are so much more ergonomic to fly in than most of those other planes with the cramped 3-3 abreast seating. And the MD-80 is a solid workhorse with a venerable reliability record.

To UAlonghaul, why does the MD-80 give you the feeling it is going to nosedive at any moment? Do you understand what the underlying causes were of that Alaska Airlines incident a few years ago?



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User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2074 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4856 times:

Good God, Airliners.net shuts down for two days and everyone comes back so testy and irritable! I just logged on and I've seen four or five threads already where everyone's lobbing profanities at each other.

It's all a matter of personal preference. I for one love American's MD80s. They're long and narrow, yes, but the MRTC seems to really shine through on them. I also belong to that .001% of Airliners.net users who don't give a damn about in-flight entertainment. I bring a book or, more realistically, look out the window. Reruns of "Three and a Half Men" are not going to elevate an aircraft to my all-time personal favorite. I find the obsession with IFE in these forums a little puzzling.

With the way things are moving in the industry, I'm grateful to get a mainline aircraft at all. I'd much rather take an MD80 than a little tinker-toy regional jet.

As for the Fokkers, they were good little workhorses, but when their retirement was announced 16 months or so ago, American seemed to stop caring about them. The Fokkers I flew on in the past year or so were all dirty and worn-out looking. That could be because the vast majority of them never got the new interiors.

In any case, the Fokkers' retirement means that yet more American stations will lose their mainline service. Oh well, such is the price of progress.  Smile


User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4828 times:

I've never been particularly crazy about the F-100, but I've tolerated it ok. To me, and I know we all have different ideas about planes, the F-100 always seemed kind of cramped. But since the flights were always short it never actually bothered me that much.

I've flown all across the country on MD-80's, and don't have any particular problem with it. The MD-80 does make a lot more noise on takeoff than the more modern planes, and that may spell big trouble for it in the years ahead. Does anyone know if hush kits are being developed for the MD-80?

What I like about both planes is the 2-3 seating in coach. Whenever I fly on either plane I try to get a seat on the left side (the "2" side).

It seems inevitable that the MD-80 will someday disappear from the skies, just as the 727 has. Too bad.



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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 4806 times:

I've flown on only one F**ker 100. It seems like a more modern DC-9. There was a horrible 'out-of-sync' sound coming from the engines and vibriating throughout the cabin when we were on the ground. Glad to say I flew on it, but it wasn't one of my fav's.

Like Jsnww81 said, it beats flying on an RJ.


User currently offlinePearyland From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 4764 times:

Well, it is true that the MD's are not pretty young aircrafts, but they are my favorites!

I have flown on them many times (mostly on AA). And if you belive it or not: Every time I did sit in one of the last rows next to the engines. Man, this is damn loud and damn cool! In the back you can feel and hear the power of an engine. During Take Off you think that the engine will explode. It is unbelievable. But after two hours of flight you have enough of the sound and you are glad if you are back on earth.

The decision between the back and the forward cabin is more than huge. During one of my flights I walked down to the forward cabin. Even after a few steppes its getting that quit that its understandable that people who are flying on the MD's want to fly in one of the rows in the front

The same statement for the F100!

In my opinion: Keep the MD flying!

Best Regrads from Greenland


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 4694 times:

American needs to ditch the md80 and f100 family once and for all. Those planes, albeit nice and quiet, are junky old tin cans. Talk about lack of service, even in F class no audio, no video, no meals on most flights.

OK,UAlonghaul, and the lack of audio, video, and meals is the fault of the MD-80? How could delta have video capabilities in some of their MD-80/90? How could Midwest use the plane to build their trademarks of wonderful full meal service on the MD-80? How could they offer full audio on the MD-80? Its not the plane- its the airline. Get a clue.



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 4682 times:

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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

As all these posts are talking about the AA MD80

You actually initiated the topic of discussing the MD-80 when you included it in your F-100 bashing in .

AA does not have IFE on the MD80, and they are not going to add assets to a plane that does not have a very long future at AA

And why would you say that? Hello NWA? It is the backbone of their domestic fleet, and not that old.....



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

It does not seem like the F-100 was a very successful aircraft...when was the first flight??


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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 4618 times:

7E72004-

F-100 first flight- 1986
Closed production- 1996
total produced- 283



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

What is the problem with them now? Is it because the line has been shut down that it is hard to maintain them? I know Midway had a few of them.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 4622 times:

I can't speak for everyone here, but IFE is overrated. I have been on several flights where I could have watched movies (both on overhead or on PTVs) or listened to music (I have a ton of complimentary headphones that I just keep when I fly First Class), but I would guess that about 99% of the time, I just ignore the IFE provided by the airline (the only time I really watch is when it is a movie that I want to see but haven't yet, and the last time that happened on a flight was about 1998). For my IFE, I would prefer to read the newspaper, read a book, play a game on my laptop or PDA, or to actually be productive and do some work, so that when I get to my destination, I might have an extra hour or more, of which I can use to do something fun, such as go to a ballgame if time permits, etc. I have flown about 100 segments on MD-80s (primarily DL, AA, US, and CO), and they are amongst my favourite aircraft (with the 767) if I am in coach, as there is the 2-3/3-2 seating, and on AA, I get MRTC (that's why I would like to switch over to AA, but BOS-LGA is Eagle while DL offers 738s with their "MRTC"/Shuttle Config, and when I move to GSO, they only have Eagle to DFW).

Anyway, back to the Fokkers...I'm not too saddened to see them go. They did serve a niche market well, and I think that if/when AA can get their finances in order, they might order the 717 (that is a ways off, if ever, from happening...let's not speculate on that yet...). Unfortunately, for AA, Fokker went out of business, which certainly did not help the type...At least a lot of these planes aren't heading to the desert yet, as I know Hevetia (sp?) and JetsGo are taking on quite a few of the 75...(Isn't Austrian taking some on too?)

Jeff


User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 4594 times:


I can't speak for everyone here, but IFE is overrated.

I second that.  Big grin

I would gather all the "can't live without it" IFE people on this site; but them in a plane (777?) with PTV's... after take-off (I'm the No. 1 F/A), start programming and then just turn it off and say it broke and tell everyone to sit down and shut up (and enjoy the ride). LOL!

In any case: out of my official 11 F-100 segments I've been on, I will really miss the plane. My most recent was DTW-ORD-HPN-ORD. I took in every minute of my last few rides on Barbie's Dream Jet.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

"Exactly, AA does not have IFE on the MD80, and they are not going to add assets to a plane that does not have a very long future at AA."

Your posts become more and more ridiculous by the day. Also, I guarantee that 10-15 years from now, AA will still be flying the Maddog.

Jeremy


25 Tekelberry : UAlonghaul, Maybe you don't know how a forum works yet since you just joined a few weeks ago. Usually, a topic consists of one subject. You are suppos
26 Post contains images Stirling : UAlonghaul Dude, You are absolutely correct, this is a public forum, and you are encouraged to have your own opinion. The question here is credibility
27 PHLBOS : I know Midway had a few of them. Prior to April 2002, US also flew the F100; I believe most of them (if not all) they inherited from the PI merger.
28 MSY-MSP : Ok, I have been in hiding for a while, and don't post often anyway. However, I feel the need to post on this topic. Normally I fly UA or NW (yes I do
29 TWA902fly : I can't say i was a big fan of AA's F100. However, i have only been on one and that was flying ORD-BOS, and i dont really remember why i didnt like it
30 NWADC9 : As far as I know of, AA is replacing the F100 with 737-800's and/or American Eagle. The MD-82's will be replaced with the 737-800.
31 Boeing4ever : A couple things UAlonghaul... 1) You sound like a spoiled brat child bitching on and on about IFE. I assume that the Wright Flyer is junk now because
32 Post contains links and images Jerion : I've flown US and AA Fokker 100's and while they do seem a little cramp inside; I'd take an F100 over the RJ's anyday! I was on one of AA's ORD-SAT (I
33 N670UW : Prior to April 2002, US also flew the F100; I believe most of them (if not all) they inherited from the PI merger. Nope. US ordered the F-100 themselv
34 Post contains links and images American 767 : Yes, it is sad to see the Fokker 100 leaving, I've flown a quite a few of them and they were quite nice although a bit noisy on take off, but I think
35 PHLBOS : Nope. US ordered the F-100 themselves. From PI, they inherited 737-200/300/400, 767-200ER, F-28, and the 727-200 N670UW, Thanks for the correction. I
36 AirxLiban : I have flown on an AA F-100 from ORD to DTW and on their MD-80s LAX-SFO-LAX and LAX-LAS-LAX and DTW-STK and i loved all of them. The fokker 100 takeof
37 HlywdCatft : **Now lose the md80 and i might you fly you once every 10 years.** UALonghaul, I don't think you need to worry about flying an AA MD-80 in Singapore a
38 Post contains images AAR90 : ...I heard that pilots loved to fly them... I'm not sure I would say I "loved" to fly 'em, but they were fun. I equated them to a "cheap" sportscar. A
39 NWA Man : AA's unfortunate retiring of the Fokker fleet leads right into one of their largest problems: the lack of a 100 seat aircraft. The F100 is perfect for
40 Post contains links Ssides : NW Man -- I would assume that AA believes the savings on enhanced fleet commonality will outweigh the loss of a 100-seat aircraft. Given the economies
41 Garnetpalmetto : Rather sad to see the F-100 go, myself, as I only got to fly on one once (when US had them) and I remember very little about the flight save that I wa
42 Post contains images Starlionblue : In the past 72 hours, I have flown 4 segments on AA MD-80's. Nothing wrong with them, and one of them was renovated inside, meaning I could plug in my
43 Ckfred : AA has had mixed feelings about the F100 from the delivery of the first plane. On the positive side, the plane is very economical in terms of fuel con
44 Post contains images Fokker50 : I think is a shame for AA to retire their Foker fleet. In the market they have 1/3 of all the fokker 100 fleet in the world, i think they need to repl
45 Lat41 : A few years ago, PVD-ORD used to be all Fokkers which were about 20 minutes slower on that route. Otherwise they were fine. I personally like the MD-8
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