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Airlines Claims To Want More Range.  
User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Warning: I'm emotional at this moment.


Personally I despise the idea of being cooked up in a plane for more than 12 hours. What is the point? Forget clautrophobia, most people do not get up and wander around, they don't treat the plane like their house, they treat it like a bus, they just sleep or sit and watch the in-flight movie and just maybe get up to take a pee. To sit in the same position can cause sores and make areas of the body really numb.

some airlines may claim their pax are asking for more range, per se, they are probably just asking for less stops and the airlines can come up with any soln they want to a problem...

I do not think it is a good idea to have flights that last so long, it is my honest belief, that knowing how people are, will end up with a eventual bad reaction down the road. Pretty soon we will have planes that have ranges of over 20,000 kilometers and flight profiles of 20+ hours, does that make sense to anyone??

Just speed up the plane, why torture your costumers? People would want to use that time they waste at airports and airplanes, either in business or vacations, they do not need to waste their time (money) flying.

I'm actually moving away from health risks now, I do not think people want to spend time traveling from point A to point B if they have to, they should be able to simply get on witht heir business, you know what I'm saying?






If you happened to have become emtional over this in any regard, be advised, someone may have also and it is unlikely you will have anything else to add.


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User currently offlineUAlonghaul From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

If you have ever been on SQ 19 or 20 and the new EWR SIN routes you will find out that ultra longhaul is quite nice. Try Emirates ultralonghauls.

I am excited for my first trip on EWR -SIN on the 28th and feel more comfortable on that plane in raffles or exec econ than I do F class UAL domestic.

People do get up and walk around, and people do chat with each other. Your limited experience flying ultra longhaul routes is obviously coming into play here.

20,000+ km ranges does not make sense, as you cannot find two major points in the world that would cover this distance that you would have any market operating service on.

20+ hours is the same story, no points exist with demand for longhaul service, so that obviously slipped your mind, as it makes no sense at all.

Speed up the plane? Fly supersonic over land? That's another great idea of yours. Actually, lets make sure the routes go right over your house so you can experience the sounds along with "speeding up the plane". Remember that joint BA/SQ concorde? Flying over land supersonic is a wonderful idea.

Try a real longhaul flight, 18+ hours, and use that time to think about some of those things you said.


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Just speed up the plane, why torture your costumers? People would want to use that time they waste at airports and airplanes, either in business or vacations, they do not need to waste their time (money) flying.

I'm actually moving away from health risks now, I do not think people want to spend time traveling from point A to point B if they have to, they should be able to simply get on witht heir business, you know what I'm saying?


The problem with travelling faster, other than the issues of sonic booms and noise, is cost. Sure people would like to get to their destination faster - the question is, how much more will people pay for this speed advantage, and will that cover the increased cost?

V/F



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4355 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

UAlonghaul-

You a few days ago....
The premium econ on SQ is still econ, i have been on it many times, it is nicer than the norm, but is still econ

You now.....
I am excited for my first trip on EWR -SIN on the 28th and feel more comfortable on that plane in raffles or exec econ than I do F class UAL domestic.

hmmmm
You might want to take some times to think about some times YOU have said, and also while youre at it try not to be such a jerk in the forums.



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

>> "Speed up the plane? Fly supersonic over land? That's another great idea of yours. Actually, lets make sure the routes go right over your house so you can experience the sounds along with "speeding up the plane". Remember that joint BA/SQ concorde? Flying over land supersonic is a wonderful idea" <<

I find it facinating that you choose to base the future on the past, as if things will never change and everyone should give up...  Insane I advise you to look up QSP.

My point still stands, just because you may enjoy the flight does not mean regular folks who hate the airport and invoke the theory of shifting blame to the airplane will enjoy wasting their time on an airplane. Since you brought up sonics, what makes you think that any future cost will always succeed their benifits?



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User currently offlineJetranger2000 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Well it sounds like your talking about transoceanic flights. Those flights (well on the pacific side) are kind of bottlenecked by the speed of aircraft and jet lag.

User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4355 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

*Edit last post to say*
You might want to take some time to think about some things YOU have said, and also while youre at it try not to be such a jerk in the forums.

I obviously cant think and type at the same time!

The topic of ultra long range travel is worthy to discuss at a time where we are witnessing history for flight time and distance. A very interesting deveopment that will play out is airlines implementation of a more luxurious economy class (like SQ) to be implemented on super long haul routes in the A345 and 777LR. Emirates has opted for its standard economy cabin, although they have not begun ultra long haul routes. How does everyone think an 18/19 hour nonstop economy cabin should be handled. A premium only economy with higher prices, or standard econ?



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User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

I personally can stand the flights over 12 hours. I think the max I've been on is 15 hours, and that is probably my limit.

It's really nice not having to make a connection, and if you can fall asleep, the experience isn't too bad.


User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

Consider that you are on a plane that has an ultra ultra looong haul range(non-supersonic).

How long would a flight last that goes completly to the opposite side of the world from where your'e flight departed?

NW7E7


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

I much prefer the thought of just GETTING somewhere rather than spending an additional 3-4 hours getting there. And that's assuming the fairly tight connections UA and NW have at Narita. If you are doing, say, SIN-NRT on NW and then NRT-IAH on CO, you can get like a 4 or 5 hour layover -- making it a VERY long flight.

One way or another, you are going to spend that time on the plane. Why not get it done with?

Steve


User currently offlineHz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 2008 times:
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Even if you fall asleep though - for eight hours, it still is painful. My most recent longhaul was LAX-SYD, and MEL-LAX. On the flight to SYD, it was too turbulent to sleep for the first three hours, but I was able to sleep for the next eight hours with the help of TylenolPM. When I woke up, I realized that I still had over three hours to go!!!

In my traveling heyday back when my dad worked for Saudia, I flew JED-JFK R/T all the time, and the flight was only full during the summer. When it is not full, I feel a lot better about running laps around the economy cabin.



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